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Re: Railyards Site Redevelopment

#46 Post by Shuz » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:26 pm

Its supposed to be a concept, not at all suggesting we should copy Perth! I would prefer something that looks similar to Allianz Arena, but with a more elliptical/ovular shape and divisions of the seating tiers so that the roof 'breaks' up (not as much as the Perth stadium) but in a fashion, so that it is architecturally and if so, environmentally sustainable. I would optimise seating capacity for 59-64k, with room available on the goal-end flanks to install additional, temporarily assembled seating and/or stage platforms (above existing and in front of) to lift capacity to 73-78k for soccer and or large-scale events (finals, concerts, etc)

If we had money to spend, There should be a closing roof fixed that 'slides' into parts into the Terrace (south) end of the stadium, and the Riverside (north) end of the stadium should be built so that it can rotate on an axis to front the riverbank in the event of Skyshow, relocated Carols by Candlelight concert, or other waterfront related festivals.

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#47 Post by Wayno » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:48 pm

Edgar wrote:
Wayno wrote:
Cruise wrote:I don't think i would want a stadium that looks exactly the same as the one in Perth lol
Cloning Perth's stadium would save multi-millions on architect plans for our stadium - just paint it a different colour! anyone know where they keep the blueprints?
I would rather spend the multi-million dollars on the architectural plans than to be a cheap copycats.
i was just joking. My fault i suppose - i'll make more use of the emoticons to avoid confusion in the future...
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Re: Railyards Site Redevelopment

#48 Post by Paulns » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:32 pm

frank1 wrote:Nice job. If the government were to build a stadium at the rail site, personally i would prefer a stadium with a roof that could open and close like telstra dome in melbourne.
Totally agree!! Especially with Adelaides sometimes unprodictable climate in winter especially.
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Re: Railyards Site Redevelopment

#49 Post by frank1 » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:45 pm

The government should spend more money for a quality stadium with a roof. Building a stadium with a roof now days is essential and without one is a waste of money and short sighted.

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Re: Railyards Site Redevelopment

#50 Post by SRW » Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:36 am

It does fit rather beautifully there. Just imagine all the railways sunken and green gardens and a few other public buildings gracing the banks of the Torrens...

Too bad it will never happen.
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#51 Post by Will » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:28 am

The Tasmanian government is showing that you can have BOTH a hospital and an entertainment precinct at a waterfront location. Maybe our politicians should take note of these plans. The Rann government could immediately quell a lot of opposition to the Marj if it decided to include an entertainment precinct in the land immediately on the Torrens foreshore and the land to the east of the Marj, close to the skate park. We should not have to put up with our politicians childish game of "its either a hospital or an enterainment precinct". There is sufficient land for both.

From The Hobart Mercury:
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July 01, 2008 12:00am
DETAILED makeover plans for Hobart's Macquarie Wharf railyards and docks area containing the new Royal Hobart Hospital will soon go before Cabinet.

Central to the docklands redevelopment is the extension of the main traffic thoroughfare of Davey St north below the Domain and war memorial Cenotaph through to the water's edge.

Plans seen by the Mercury detail a new $1 billion low-rise Royal Hobart Hospital at the centre of the site, ringed by associated medical centres and rooms, as well as luxury hotels, restaurants and arts venues.




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The extended Davey St will become a leafy boulevard in front of the new hospital, linked to a new road ringing Regatta Point and joining the docklands area right through to Hunter St.

The plan includes removing the ugly Boral concrete works that greets many visitors to the city.

The Hobart City Council sewage works on Macquarie Point, a little-known caustic soda plant and the large coolstore owned by TasPorts will also disappear.

The plans, developed by advisers to the "New Royal" project team within the Health and Human Services Department, have been provisionally approved by Health Minister Lara Giddings.

The Government has already said the current rail depot is moving to Brighton.

Key pieces of the docklands redevelopment include:




A three-to-five storey "low-rise" new RHH.
A new Hobart Private Hospital alongside the new RHH.
A new road with commercial buildings alongside the hospital connecting the Brooker Highway into the docklands redevelopment.

The blueprint for the massive site includes a car park for at least 800 cars under the Domain and Cenotaph, to be accessed from the current concrete works area.

Planners have also allowed for a bike path and pedestrian walkway linking the current Regatta Grounds to the hospital, Davey St boulevard and rejuvenated waterfront.

They also envisage the current rail track corridor being kept open for public transport access, with suggestions of a light rail or tram linking Hobart's northern suburbs to the new hospital.

The 12ha docklands site includes about 7ha of new hospital at its core but planners are allowing for two luxury hotels to be built.

One will curve around the waterfront looking directly down the Derwent estuary from the site of the current sewage works; the other is likely to be on the corner of Davey and Evans sts where the coolstore now stands.

There are also suggestions that the university will extend its arts school into a new building on the redeveloped north side of Evans St. An Antarctic research centre or cruise ship terminal are also on the drawing board.

The plans are separate to those being developed by the Sullivans Cove Waterfront Authority for the rest of Constitution Dock and the Princes Wharf area around Salamanca Place.

However, the "New Royal" team is understood to be keen for Moorilla winery owner and millionaire arts philanthropist David Walsh to proceed with his redevelopment of the Macquarie No. 1 Wharf quarantine shed as a contemporary arts centre.

In the hospital plans it is expected the working port area will be shrunk to encompass just the southeast corner of the area.

Commercial redevelopment of other wharf areas, many of which are no longer safe for docks operations because of rotting piles and concrete fatigue, will help finance the massive $1 billion "New Royal" project.

Architects are also planning to reconnect the elevated Domain and Cenotaph with the city and waterfront.

Prime regard has also been placed on preserving the historic sandstone Royal Engineers building near the intersection of the Brooker Highway and Davey St.

It's planned the underground car park would be covered by a grassy hill to connect the Cenotaph to the Royal Engineers building.

There would also be more parking spaces created beneath the new RHH, which will be elevated by several meters from ground level to protect it from flooding, rising sea levels and other possible climate change impacts.

Grand steps would likely be cut into the cliff face near the new hospital and the extended Davey St so that the Cenotaph can be easily reached from the reclaimed docklands area.

Planners are working with the RSL to see if the new approach to the Cenotaph from the docklands may become the preferred route of the Anzac Day march.

As part of the new redevelopment, the old armoury and battery buried beneath the Cenotaph may also be opened to tourists and visitors.
REDEVELOPMENT IN DETAIL:

Low-rise RHH covering 7ha
Private hospital built next to new RHH
Davey St extended north into leafy boulevard running through to water's edge
Road linking Regatta Grounds with the hospital, new Davey St extension and the rest of Macquarie Wharf
Four-storey car park built under Domain and Cenotaph
Road extension from Brooker Highway through to new hospital, creating new city block
Light rail access from Hobart's northern suburbs to the hospital
Bike path and pedestrian walkway linking Regatta Grounds to Sullivans Cove
Hotels, commercial parking and possible new university arts school.

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Re: Railyards Site Redevelopment

#52 Post by Wayno » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:58 am

way to go Hobart!
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#53 Post by SRW » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:49 pm

Light rail access from Hobart's northern suburbs to the hospital
Wow, light rail really is making a comeback. And nice plans for Hobart -- it is so underrated, much like Adelaide.
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#54 Post by Norman » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:52 pm

There's always room for housing in the future... it's not like the hospital is taking the entire area.

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#55 Post by Cruise » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:17 pm

Norman wrote:There's always room for housing in the future... it's not like the hospital is taking the entire area.
Housing? no frigging way

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Re: Railyards Site Redevelopment

#56 Post by kernelpanic » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:55 pm

Will wrote:The Tasmanian government is showing that you can have BOTH a hospital and an entertainment precinct at a waterfront location."
Good point. The idea of a major hospital within a community precinct with housing, entertainment, open space... Sounds great. Wth all the difficulty we have recruiting medical staff in SA, locating a hospital in a place like this would surely be beneficial. Add to that the differenc it would make for the thousands of patients. Rather than being locked away in archaic wards, their stay in hospital and recovery time would be enhanced by being in a positive environment.

Much of the current RAH site would become available. I hear it too is a reasonably toxic area after years of pharmaceuticals and radiation, but there's a lot of potential there too...

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#57 Post by Norman » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:49 pm

kernelpanic wrote:
Will wrote:The Tasmanian government is showing that you can have BOTH a hospital and an entertainment precinct at a waterfront location."
Good point. The idea of a major hospital within a community precinct with housing, entertainment, open space... Sounds great. Wth all the difficulty we have recruiting medical staff in SA, locating a hospital in a place like this would surely be beneficial. Add to that the differenc it would make for the thousands of patients. Rather than being locked away in archaic wards, their stay in hospital and recovery time would be enhanced by being in a positive environment.

Much of the current RAH site would become available. I hear it too is a reasonably toxic area after years of pharmaceuticals and radiation, but there's a lot of potential there too...
Most of the RAH land will be returned to parklands and botanic gardens, with some for housing.

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#58 Post by jk1237 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:52 pm

thankfully, the nice old red brick RAH buildings on North Tce are heritage listed, so these cant be returned to parklands. Hopefully not too much of the rest is turned to parklands, as we really do have more than enough parklands already

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#59 Post by SRW » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:42 pm

jk1237 wrote:thankfully, the nice old red brick RAH buildings on North Tce are heritage listed, so these cant be returned to parklands. Hopefully not too much of the rest is turned to parklands, as we really do have more than enough parklands already
Most of the reclaimed land will actually be going to the Botanic Garden, and as it's one of our top visitor attractions (2nd or 3rd, I think), that's a good thing.
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Re: Railyards Site Redevelopment

#60 Post by Will » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:23 pm

I think returning the RAH site to parklands is a recalcitrant and backwater idea. It is an idea being proposed by the state government solely to appease the NIMBY electors in the seat of Adelaide, so as they continue backing J-Lo.

However, despite these motives the state government should wake up and see that the old RAH site is PRIME North Terrace frontage! This site should be reserved for a world class attraction for Adelaide such as a Guggenheim museum! We already have enough parklands. In fact even Col. Light’s original plans for Adelaide do not designate the RAH site as parklands but as ‘Hospital’. Thus even Col. Light did not intend for the RAH site to be parklands!

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