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#31 Post by crawf » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:42 am

As nice it would be to have a tram or trainline to the Airport, it would probley be a waste of money and cause disruption to Sir Donald Bradman Drive

I've used the current J1 service a few times, and its pretty good - so a tramline isnt really needed at this stage.

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#32 Post by Mants » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:47 pm

crawf wrote:As nice it would be to have a tram or trainline to the Airport, it would probley be a waste of money and cause disruption to Sir Donald Bradman Drive

I've used the current J1 service a few times, and its pretty good - so a tramline isnt really needed at this stage.
but thats the exact same argument people opposed to the king william street tramline used.

they said it wasnt necessary and it was a waste of money because there is already a current service...

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#33 Post by Norman » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:37 pm

But the current service is inferior to the one proposed... that's the beauty of change and progress.

Plus the tramline extension is basically already a current service, it's just getting extended :P

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#34 Post by duke » Fri May 11, 2007 8:10 pm

The J1 service is ok. But has anyone ever tried taking all your luggage on a public bus during peak times. Its impossible. The shuttle bus in Melbourne has luggage space and they only take enough people to fill the seats.
I'm all for trains and trams, i think we need more. But I don't think they would be the answer in this case. A dedicated shuttle service, better than what we have now, is the way to go.

Also after getting stuck on the O-Bahn track for 1 1/2 hours a few months ago has made decide I will never catch the bus to the airport when going to catch a flight. Its just not worth the risk.

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#35 Post by Ho Really » Fri May 11, 2007 8:32 pm

duke wrote:...Also after getting stuck on the o-bhan track for 1 1/2 hours a few months ago has made decide I will never catch the bus to the airport when going to catch a flight. Its just not worth the risk.
I understand your concern, but a breakdown or an accident can happen with any kind of transport. Better always have those few extra hours up your sleeve when travelling on PT.

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#36 Post by bmw boy » Mon May 28, 2007 11:24 am

Duke wrote :
The J1 service is ok. But has anyone ever tried taking all your luggage on a public bus during peak times.
I think it's rediculous that they use those old strech buses for this service.... with stairs to get on and off.... why would they do that for an airport link....

Theres no way you an get large luggage out of the back exits .... and the front entreance is just as hard to be luggining stuff on and off.

why dont they use new buses with easy flat , ground level acess??

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#37 Post by crawf » Mon May 28, 2007 11:29 am

bmw boy wrote:Duke wrote :
The J1 service is ok. But has anyone ever tried taking all your luggage on a public bus during peak times.
I think it's rediculous that they use those old strech buses for this service.... with stairs to get on and off.... why would they do that for an airport link....

Theres no way you an get large luggage out of the back exits .... and the front entreance is just as hard to be luggining stuff on and off.

why dont they use new buses with easy flat , ground level acess??
I'm pretty sure the State Government is about to replace those buses. But yeah they are a joke especially for airport travelers.

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#38 Post by bmw boy » Mon May 28, 2007 11:33 am

ahk good...

but still... whether or not they are going to.... busses with stairs should never have been used for this service.

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#39 Post by Will409 » Mon May 28, 2007 12:33 pm

From what I understand, the busses used on the J1 and indeed the majority of the busses used on the Obahn services are going to be replaced from about 2008/2009. Because of the wheel/guideway interaction with the O bahn system, several different designs have had to be evaluated to make sure that neither the bus nor the guideway suffer from stresses and damage.

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#40 Post by Norman » Mon May 28, 2007 2:03 pm

bmw boy wrote:ahk good...

but still... whether or not they are going to.... busses with stairs should never have been used for this service.
Well, it's better than nothing... if they are doing something for the future, the Jet Buses are tempoary.

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#41 Post by bmw boy » Mon May 28, 2007 10:07 pm

normangerman wrote:
bmw boy wrote:ahk good...

but still... whether or not they are going to.... busses with stairs should never have been used for this service.
Well, it's better than nothing... if they are doing something for the future, the Jet Buses are tempoary.
I'm not against the jet bus service, just saying other buses which are in the current fleet would be more suitable for that kind of service

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#42 Post by Will409 » Tue May 29, 2007 5:46 pm

Although the guide way does suffer from some stresses from the busses, it is mainly the busses that suffer from the track itself. I never mentioned this earlier but another part of the design consideration is to minimize the chances of 'wheel scrubbing'. Some of the newer Scania's I have seen have guide wheels attached and they are slowly eating away at the ranks of the older members of the fleet but once the new deliveries arrive, the old MAN's will see the pasture.

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#43 Post by Paulns » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:43 pm

Froggy wrote:The concern with henley beach road is that it's probably not wide enough for a tram line down the middle. It could only support one way. I'd rather see an ambitious underground direct train link up, go underground from the city train station to the airport.
Totally agree, with this one. A tram line just wouldn't be appropriate. With the popularity of SA gradulary increasing each year as a travel destination, (evident with the increasing numbers using the new Airport terminal) and with extra people about to come to the state on the back of the Defence Force expansion and eventual minning boom, I think this may one day prove to be very appropriate for Adelaide.

It may be a long time down the track but who knows maybe there is a reason why they called the new terminal, T1, and that the eventual idea would be to build a second T2 building along side to accomidate an increase in domestic and International flights???

If the currant trend of more people arriving in Adelaide does continue than I agree with the above quote of a rail link (underground???) to the city. To those who argue for buses, I believe we should be encouraging as many vehicles off the road as possible including buses, as they only add to conjestion on already crowded roads, such as Sir Donald Bradman Drive during peak hour??? Off the topic, but same, same could be said for the OBarn???
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Re: Adelaide Airport rail link

#44 Post by jimmy_2486 » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:39 pm

What about underground light rail underneith henley beach road. We could do a cut and cover technique with not that much of a disturbance to the road??

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Re: Adelaide Airport rail link

#45 Post by AtD » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:06 pm

jimmy_2486 wrote:What about underground light rail underneith henley beach road. We could do a cut and cover technique with not that much of a disturbance to the road??
Uh, cut and cover requires total removal of the road, excavation, building the new tunnel then building a new road over the top. Total disturbance of the road, really.

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