Nort wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:11 pm
rev wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:46 pm
Nort wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:13 am
It just makes me so sad that people arguing we need changes to law to "protect religious freedom" apparently like the status quo and think it is fine for society to ignore those who have religious objections to interfaith marriages, interracial marriages, or divorced people getting married. Society won't be truly free until any service provider has you fill out a checklist of what you are buying, what it is for, and who will be consuming/using it to ensure you meet their religious standards as a customer.
Name one major religion that refuses interacial marriages.
You think there are no people out there with those views?
That’s not what I said.
Why can’t you people be honest when debating?
And you called me the bad person. Lol
rev wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:14 pm
Ben wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:51 pm
Excerpt from this book:
ORTHODOX VIEW OF INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE
Bishop Iakovos, Prof. of Orthodox Theology, Holy Cross Greek Orthodox School of Theology. 1987.
"No matter what Hollywood say, I can't believe God smiles on such (interracial) marriages."
https://www.amazon.com/Orthodox-Church- ... 0937032565
A friend, Greek Orthodox, married an Irish girl, in a Greek church.
I have a cousin in Greece, who married an Albanian girl, in a Greek church. I have another cousin who married a Vietnamese girl in a Greek church.
Plenty of Italians and Greeks who have gotten married in each others churches as well.
Plenty of Greeks, Serbs, Russians, Ukrainians, Italians, Polish etc, who have also gotten married in each others churches as well.
Some bishops personal opinion, and that's what it is, is irrelevant in reality and practice.
Try again Ben.
Ooh, we're doing personal anecdotes are we?
A few years ago I married a girl from a Greek Orthodox background.
Since I wasn't Greek Orthodox we weren't allowed to get married in the Greek Orthodox church, and after we got married outside that church she was informed that she wasn't welcome to participate in communion there. Some members of her family even expressed the view that the marriage wasn't "real" since it didn't meet their religious standards. Sound familiar?[/quote]
Sure you did.
But lets plat along for those reading at home, and yet again expose Nort as someone who lies, and posts misinformation.
Greek Orthodox does not exclusively refer to an individual being Greek. It is the name of the religion. Much the same way that someone of the Roman Catholic Church is not exclusively “Roman” or Italian. It’s the name of the religion.
I’m sure you know they were once the one church/religion.
So just based on that, you’re very likely lying.
But continuing to play your game, let’s pretend your wife is of Greek background. Her family’s views and opinions mean what exactly in the context of this side argument?
Tell me your background Nort, I’m sure I can easily find something and use it out of context here.
Like I said earlier in the thread, this isn't truly about equality. It's about attacking the norm, attacking our judeo-christian foundations of western countries predominantly. It's only taken a short while for the disdain some of you have for Christianity, and probably religion in general, to shine through.
No, it's entirely about equality among the vast majority of those supporting it. There are multiple polls even suggesting a majority of Australian christians support marriage equality, how self-righteous and arrogant of you to presume to tell them that they are just doing it to attack judeo-christian foundations.
There were multiple polls suggesting Clinton would become president, reality was different however. I bet it still burns.
A majority of people who are born into Christianity because their parents and/or grand parents are, who may have been baptised, and may self identify if asked as Christian are not necessarily Christian, as most don’t even practice their religion in most western countries anymore and never have. How many attend church services? Most don’t. Most wouldn’t even know that Santa Claus is based on Saint Nicholas, an actual person from the second century. Then again most wouldn’t even know that the “image” of Santa Claus with his white beard and red suit is a creation by Coca Cola lol.
So their opinions from a Christian perspective are irrelevant.
Again, stop accusing me of saying things I clearly have not said.
If you can’t debate honestly then stop.