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[Waewick]

have you actually read what they did? or just taken Dittmars rants as gospel?

the crows if anything have already paid the penalty for being fucking morons in the whole thing - they didn't actually breach the salary cap either.

I was hoping Trigg would get the boot, but the boys club always wins.

[rev]

They paid a price, a price that was not hefty enough considering others have been caught breaching the rules before.
Especially when you take into consideration that there are other players and side deals on the Crows list who should have come under the same AFL microscope.

They did breach the salary cap rules. You can not make extra side payments to players. There is a salary cap, and the salary of each player has to fit within that cap combined. That's why it's called a salary cap, that's why it exists. So richer clubs can not go throwing money around at the best players to sign/keep them.

They made additional payments to Tippet on top of his declared salary. $200,000 I believe.
They also made a deal to trade him to his preferred club this year.

Both these things are a breach of the rules.

I really don't care about the finer details of the cheating that goes on at West Lakes. We all know the Crows are cheats and that it goes on at West Lakes now.

If they did it for someone like Mcleod at his peak, I can understand he was a quality gun player like most Port Adelaide players who make it to the AFL, but Tippet? An over-rated sack at this stage.

[Waewick]

they didn't breach the salary cap, that is why the whole debacle is ridiculous.

What they did was effectively tamper with the draft process (by suggesting they would trade a player for a particular sum) and apparently, incorrectly pay a player by under writing a sponsorship deal - but at no point did they exceed their salary cap.

Don't get me wrong, I can not believe that Trigg will keep his job, but to suggest that there is some consistent and in built cheating going on at the Crows (considering a full forensic audit of the club has been done by the AFL and cleared them of anything else) is laughable.

and of course you don't care about the finer details, that would derail your argument, that's the biggest problem with facts.

[Hooligan]

Personally, I hope the Crows keep Trigg for ever.

The Lulz this guy provides is priceless.

[rev]

The LULZ provided by Crows supporters, particularly on talk back radio, is priceless Hooligan.

Just read above what Waewick is saying.

They didn't breach the salary cap, they only tampered with the draft process, so that's ok.

They paid the bloke $200,000 on top of his declared salary. They made a side deal to trade him to the club of his choice when his contract expired. THAT is how they managed to resign him. By KNOWINGLY BREAKING THE RULES. Yet the likes of Graham Cornes would have us believe that they didn't do anything wrong.
Imagine if Port did what they did...we'd be reading articles in the Advertiser about it in 2062 still..


Cheating is cheating. There is no they cheated a lot or a little. They cheated. They broke the rules. They got a slap on the wrist when they should have been given the most severe penalties in AFL history to date.

And there are clouds over at least two other players at the Crows and "special deals"...just because the AFL has decided to let sleeping dogs lie for the time being doesn't mean there isn't a culture of breaking the rules at the Crows..it's about the only culture at that club. Their names were briefly mentioned and buried in an article or two.
The crows-centric media in this state just likes to pretend it's not a major issue, and instead rather then keep up articles on the main page about how the crows cheated, change the subject by putting up articles about crows charity work...Meanwhile, the same negative article about port has been up for a week...

Never mind the fact that they could have written at least two articles on the pre-season training down at Alberton, with our world renowned fitness coach who has already started making an impact again at Alberton.
Butcher for example has bulked up significantly and is looking real good for 2013. Slap a Crows guernsey on him and it's the top story on the 5 o'clock news and front and back page of the Advertiser.

Triggs off overseas on a fact finding mission for six months..in reality he is leaving to escape the heat back home. Not that the Adelaide media will place any on their beloved Crows.
Footyshow should be interesting viewing next year if Trigg and the boys have the balls to front.

Anyone see the footage on the news of Trigg outside AAMI hugging and kissing fans? All grandmothers..the predominant Crows demographic.

[claybro]

Old age demographic or not, at least the Crows have some fans (ones that show up to games anyway.) As for why Port is not covered more in the media...well when they stuggle to attract 30000 to a game even in a winning season...can anyone remember the last winning season?..., then no wonder why the media dont cover them as much...Its because the vast majority of Adelaide football supporting public does not give a flying "F" what happens at Alberton.If you believe that the Crows are the only ones to have such deals in place, (yes even your beloved Power ,or is it magpies... or Port Adelaide, or Port Power.. does) you are dreaming.

[Maximus]

It would help, irrespective of which team you support, if we got the facts right. The Crows didn't breach the salary cap per se; they breached the rules relating to the salary cap. And they didn't tamper with the draft per se; they engaged in conduct that was prejudicial to the draft.

We can argue until the cows come home about how bad that all was. Yes, cheating is cheating, but there has to be a scale when it comes to the punishment. Otherwise, for example, shoplifters would do as much jail time as murderers.

The real mystery to me is how Trigg is keeping his job. But maybe we'll hear more about that in coming weeks/months.

[rev]

Really is a pointless discussion as a Crows supporters are living in a dream world of delusions.

They have fans which turn up? The AFL also has extra ambulances on stand by at the game for them
Their fans are a joke. Young and old.
eg1 Sit next to an "older" Crows fan, and if you dare make a sound, they will get security of the police to try evict you.
eg2 A non-Crows player touches the ball, and within 0.5 seconds Crows "fans" collectively yell "ballllllll"...because they think it's holding the ball and their side should get a free kick.

The Adelaide Crows are a blight on the football world, we all knew this, but now it's been confirmed nationally with them being busted for cheating.
Too bad the AFL doesn't want to bring the game into further disrepute because of the Crows cheating, otherwise there would be a lot more dirt out in the open regarding the Crows and how they operate.
This little disgraceful saga was only a taste of the true culture at the Crows.

This is what happens when clubs are created out of thin air, out of the jealously and hatred that exists for real clubs.
There is a distinct lack of real football club culture. You can't manufacture it.

Another example of the jealousy and hatred that exists, is the whole move to Adelaide Oval.

The entire idea to go to Adelaide Oval, was Port Adelaide's.
The idea wasn't to move both clubs there, but for Port to move there for a better stadium return then what the SANFL gave at AAMI.
Port is going back to one of it's spiritual homes, considering how much success it's had over the past 142 years of it's existence.
Don't worry, we wont cover it in black white and teal like the Crows covered AAMI in yellow red and blue for over a decade..

But of course, Port comes up with a great idea to move the club forward, again, and the SANFL jumps in and ruins it. Same thing happened when Port declared it would join the AFL. Port was actually the only team outside of Victoria that got invited by the Victorian to join THEIR competition. That is how much respect Port Adelaide has because of it's long history of success. The Crows now are a disgrace who have tarnished the game.
There should be no SANFL or Crows involvement at Adelaide Oval.

It amuses me greatly particularly because Trigg alleged that Port was tarnishing the game with it's financial problems, meanwhile the bloke was busy rorting the AFL rules.

[rev]

And what a crock of absolute pig shit regarding media coverage.

Trigg and the Crows have been made to be all but sweet innocent angels in this saga.
But Port Adelaide posts a financial loss and the knives come out from every dark seedy corner in this state.

Trigg & the Crows have done more damage to the game then Port's financial losses, and yet the media coverage is still unfairly balanced.
You'd have to be mentally challenged not to see the clear bias in the media that favors the Crows.

The SANFL openly declared it was backing the Crows and Trigg, even though the Crows & Trigg lied and were caught out.

On the other hand, the SANFL sharpened it's knives again for Port this year and forced board room changes.

SANFL should be more grateful. The greatest club in it's competition which has brought in the most revenue for it over the last 142 years, should be treated with more respect. But that is why this city is called a piss ant town I guess.

And I guarantee you wankers like Whicker are still seething underneath and will be till the day they die, that Port brought in the AFL and now the AFL has an eye on BOTH SA clubs and the SANFL it self.
Which means that the SANFL can no longer tamper with Port Adelaide so easily. Which means Port Adelaide can rebuild it self properly and once again flourish and succeed on and off the field.

And as for the Crows not breaking the rules, "per se", give me a fucking break dude.

They made EXTRA PAYMENTS OUTSIDE OF TIPPETS SALARY. THAT IS A BREACH OF THE SALARY CAP!!

They made a secret deal to trade him to a club of his choice at the end of his contract. THAT IS TAMPERING WITH THE DRAFT SYSTEM!!


What in Gods name don't you one eyed Crows supporters understand?

The rest of the Australian Football world has seen what your club has done. They all understand the Crows cheated the salary cap and draft system.


Yet the pissants in the pissant town live in delusion that their pissant club did nothing wrong?

If the Crows did nothing wrong, as you suggest, WHY did the AFL penalize them?

[Will]

It is fascinating that whenether something bad happens here, we always seem to blame 'Adelaide' as a whole for it.

[Maximus]

I never said the Crows didn't break the rules. I simply clarified the exact nature of their rule-breaking, such that this polite discussion can be grounded in fact, rather than emotive argument. The salary cap itself is a monetary figure that the total amount of player payments is not allowed to exceed. As has been widely reported, the Crows did not exceed this figure, even when Tippet's side-deals are included.

I fully agree that the Crows did indeed knowingly break the rules, and this is why I cannot understand why Trigg hasn't been sacked, or at least fallen on his sword.

[rev]

Will, I'm not blaming Adelaide as a whole, I'm blaming the Adelaide/SA media, the SANFL, and the Crows.
They might think they are the club for all South Australians, but they aren't..


Unlike the pissant media in this city, here is an article about this disgraceful affair from Melbourne's The Age newspaper, that does not feature bias and bullshit.

Trigg gets off lightly for his part in scandal

Date
December 1, 2012

Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age


IT IS extraordinary that a 25-year-old footballer who signed a dodgy deal after receiving some very bad advice when he was just 22 should be handed the almost identical punishment to an 11-year club chief executive with 15 years of AFL experience behind him.

But that's how the AFL Commission saw it when its sat in judgment of Kurt Tippett, Steven Trigg and the Adelaide Crows in a hearing that lasted most of Friday and ended with Tippett banned from playing and Trigg banned from working in the competition each for six months.

Both men were also fined $50,000 with chairman Mike Fitzpatrick, AFL chief Andrew Demetriou and their board adding $25,000 to Tippett's original recommended penalty because he attempted to portray himself as an innocent young footballer who had unwittingly found himself in a dreadful situation not of his own making.
Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg speaks to the media.

Tippett, who told the commission of the sleeplessness and great personal toll this saga has taken, left the hearing through the back door of AFL headquarters. Later he released a statement which indicated he still blames Adelaide for all that has taken place. Half-a-season for an AFL playing career seems an eternity and in comparison a far harsher penalty to that of a CEO.
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Trigg, whose job admittedly could not be guaranteed by his chairman Rob Chapman once his suspension from all forms of AFL activity ranging from training sessions to official functions was completed, also refused to face the music. But the disgraced CEO's behaviour was much worse.

After Fitzpatrick, Demetriou and football boss Adrian Anderson had explained themselves, Trigg delivered a statement that indicated just how little responsibility he truly felt for the rule breaches, draft tampering and illegal third-party payments which he authorised and hid for three years. And never admitted until he was sprung.

He refused to answer any questions claiming ''legal constraints''. No one from the AFL knew what he was talking about. Despite the fact Trigg misled his board when it questioned him back in 2011 about the secret draft agreement first revealed by Fairfax Media and despite the fact he never came clean until his football manager Phil Harper was backed into a corner when the Tippett trade turned sour; both the AFL and Crows chairman Rob Chapman were lavish in their praise of Trigg's exemplary record.

But then the AFL at times is nothing if not an old boys' club. Tippett had his Gold Coast-based father Tony and his Queen's Counsel David Galbally in his corner, both of whom have rubbed the industry up the wrong way of late. Trigg had his ''exemplary'' and ''previously unblemished'' record on his side along with the highly respected and recently retired AFL commissioner Bob Hammond in his as a character witness. If the commission believed Tippett lacked contrition, you would have to wonder what it made of Trigg's statement. The CEO, who will be removed from his job on the first day of 2013, delivered a ''Wayne Carey'' apology. He blamed the unique situation he found himself in at the end of 2009 when all of South Australia believed Tippett was Adelaide's saviour.

He spoke of the pressure the Tippett camp had put on him and said he had paid ''a very high price for an error of judgment''. He said the commission had regarded his actions as serious breaches but clearly did not believe they were quite that bad. ''It's impossible to sit here and not feel it (Trigg's punishment) is extraordinarily tough.''

At that moment you couldn't help but wonder how Matt Rendell would have felt listening to the man who forcibly removed him from his job back in March for engaging in an allegedly racist conversation - key elements of which remain in dispute. Rendell had a ''exemplary record'' as a recruiter at Adelaide and a three-year contract which was not paid out because Trigg forced Rendell to resign.

Trigg would not stay to explain why he had hidden the Tippett deal, why he had miseld his board, why he had authorised a second secret letter from his former football manager John Reid to cover up the illegalities. The AFL's Anderson admitted on Friday that it was only after strong prompting from the league that the Crows withdrew from the 2012 draft. It is understood Adelaide resisted for several days before being pressured on the basis it would help its case. Trigg, who has vowed for six weeks that he would explain everything once this hearing was finished, explained nothing.

John Reid departed the hearing shattered. Although retired, he has a one-year ban - six months of it suspended - to his name. Demetriou praised him for turning up, which seemed a bit rich given the trouble he helped deliver to his club. Reid's replacement Phil Harper, who blew the whistle on the Tippett deal while Trigg was holidaying overseas, has effectively been banned for two months.

Given how Trigg misled chairman Rob Chapman and his directors, the AFL seemed satisifed the Crows board was innocent but still fined the club $300,000 and banned it from taking early picks in next year's draft unless they traded their way into it.

Chapman performed far more impressively than his suspended chief executive. He apologised unconditionally to everyone associated with the Adelaide Football Club. Unlike Trigg he avoided excuses and accepted the penalty as harsh as he believed it was. He said he has learned a lot over the past six weeks. The former bank chief admitted he had placed a ''risk lens'' over the entire affair and chosen in the best interests of the club to plead guilty. Tippett, frightened and sleep-deprived, did the same.

It seemed strange that, despite everything, Chapman supported Trigg while not guaranteeing his job. Unless the board did know more than it claims and Trigg has taken one for the team. In either case you would hope another risk lens is available when the board decides whether or not to re-employ the distinctly non-contrite and incompetent Steven Trigg.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... 2ammr.html

[rev]

I never said the Crows didn't break the rules. I simply clarified the exact nature of their rule-breaking, such that this polite discussion can be grounded in fact, rather than emotive argument. The salary cap itself is a monetary figure that the total amount of player payments is not allowed to exceed. As has been widely reported, the Crows did not exceed this figure, even when Tippet's side-deals are included.

I fully agree that the Crows did indeed knowingly break the rules, and this is why I cannot understand why Trigg hasn't been sacked, or at least fallen on his sword.

He hasn't been sacked, but rather has been fully backed and endorsed by Chapman and the SANFL, because the rest of his peers are complicit.
Read the above article. It makes sense if he took one "for the team".

Compare it to Port, with Haysman who was forced to resign by the SANFL because he stood up and tried to do what was in Ports interests and challenged the SANFL over certain things.
He did nothing to bring the game into disrepute or tarnish the image, he in fact attempted to restore Port. A successful Port is good for the SANFL and the AFL.
But he was removed anyway.

Trigg and the rest of them cheat AND lie about on top of it in an attempt to cover it all up, and the SANFL backs him. Crows boss Chapman backs him too. They say he wont be sacked after his 6 month ban, he will retain his position.
Why? Logically you can assume that it's because they were all complicit in the board room, and he was the martyr. His reward for being the martyr is keeping his job.

The media also has not roasted him like they have Port over financial issues and on field failures.
On the contrary, they've helped bury the issue and paint over it with roses.


What this saga has done more then anything else, is help expose the bias and unfair situation that exist in SA football.
It has highlighted for the rest of Australia what we have been saying for years now.

Thank you Tippet.

[Waewick]

yay, a forum full of Port supporters getting on their high horse dreaming about relevance.


Trigg stuffed up, how he has kept his job is beyond me, but to try and insinuate further issues with player payments is pathetic and probably a reflection of the intelligence of the person posting.

[Wayno]

change of subject...please

Did you know the global Movember phenomenon started in our local hometown:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movember

Seven Nightly News aired a story in 1999 featuring a group of young men in Adelaide, South Australia who originated the name "Movember" and the idea of growing moustaches for charity during the month of November. In the news report, members of the Adelaide-based "Movember Committee" explained how they came up with the idea for Movember one night in the pub. The group started with 80 men from Adelaide and interstate, and aimed to raise money for the RSPCA through selling T-shirts in what they termed "Growing whiskers for whiskers". The committee remains uninvolved with the wider Movember movement and claims to have coined the term "Movember" in 1999.

In 2004, an unrelated group in Melbourne, Victoria organised an event where 30 men would grow a moustache for 30 days in order to raise awareness for prostate cancer and depression in men. This group would later become the Movember Foundation charity.

The Movember Foundation has since raised $174-million worldwide, after spreading to South Africa and Europe, reaching North America in 2006. In 2010, participants in the United States alone raised over $7.5 million.

Here's the original Seven News Story on youtube: