#U/C: $43billion FTTH NBN

[neephius]

So what now!! What is happening to the NBN is their any daily updates on what is happening what infrastructur is being enabled or installed and so forth .
I think their needs to be some sort of community push to keep this project on track.
I do beleive Adelaide would be the correct choice for the headquarters after all we do have the most reliable power supply in the southern hemisphere.
and we have alot of buildings here that are new purpose built for this exact type of infrastructure with their underground cooling etcetera Adelaide would be a great place for this.

Adelaide Silicon valley of the South.
It woud be great to see a great heap of people living and training in Adelaide making the next True 10 BIT OS With Hardware To match instead of this 8 Bit convert we have atm

The speed that the NBN would offer it would really give us a bit of an edge over what we have now. We could actually really do something on a world scale.

[neephius]

Estonia approves national broadband network plan

Check this out if Estonia can do It why cant Australia

The government of Estonia has approved a plan to establish a national broadband network, writes local daily Postimees Online. By the year 2013, the network should bring internet access with speeds of 200Mbit to even the most distant rural areas. According to the minister of economic affairs and communications Juhan Parts, the ultra-fast broadband connection will be accessible on 90 percent of Estonia's territory by 2012 and everywhere in the country by the year 2015. Parts noted that a foundation will be created in order to build the broadband network, one in which all major telecommunications enterprises will be involved. The state plans to provide support worth EEK 1 Trillion for the development of the infrastructure in areas where creating the infrastructure would not be possible in terms of financial feasibility, namely in villages and in remote areas.

[Howie]

So what now!! What is happening to the NBN is their any daily updates on what is happening what infrastructur is being enabled or installed and so forth .

Here's ComputerWorld's NBN map.... it's an excellent resource to finding out what is going on and when.
http://www.computerworld.com.au/nbn

[Wayno]

I presume the cabling for the FTTH network will simply follow the above/below ground paths of existing suburban power/telstra networks? I'd hate to see new 'above ground' FTTH cables/poles in suburbs where all other service wires have already been buried...

[Howie]

The government is passing legislation to allow the NBN contractors to use existing utilities operated by Telstra.. so what that would mean effectively is that where there are existing aerial deployments of copper, the NBN will use that. With estates which already have the copper buried, they wouldn't goto the expense of mounting them on top of street lamp poles if there's already a conduit below ground. So no, very doubtful the fibre would run on any other path other than what's already in place.

Had a read of a whitepaper on aerial deployment of fibre cable in the united states, the cable themselves are almost totally discreet, so people who are against another cable being deployed overhead should really take a look at how thin these cables are, I doubt they'd notice it was even there if they weren't specifically looking for it.

I can't wait for 100+ mbps. There's already talk about foxtel network moving wholly to the NBN and even becoming an ISP, which would be awesome.

[rev]

Estonia approves national broadband network plan

Check this out if Estonia can do It why cant Australia

The government of Estonia has approved a plan to establish a national broadband network, writes local daily Postimees Online. By the year 2013, the network should bring internet access with speeds of 200Mbit to even the most distant rural areas. According to the minister of economic affairs and communications Juhan Parts, the ultra-fast broadband connection will be accessible on 90 percent of Estonia's territory by 2012 and everywhere in the country by the year 2015. Parts noted that a foundation will be created in order to build the broadband network, one in which all major telecommunications enterprises will be involved. The state plans to provide support worth EEK 1 Trillion for the development of the infrastructure in areas where creating the infrastructure would not be possible in terms of financial feasibility, namely in villages and in remote areas.

Greece has decided to invest in a fiber optics network too, for around 2.1 billion euro.

It's interesting though the price comparison. Obviously Australia is a much(MUCH) larger country, with twice the population.
The Greek investment equates to about 3.5 billion Aussie dollars. Really reminds you just how large this country is.

[Shuz]

I always thought Greece was bigger than Australia, population-wise? :s

Has anyone from Tassie reported what the NBN is like? Since theirs is largely done.

[Howie]

11 million people in Greece.. but as it covers a smaller area deployment is made much easier. As for tasmania, their trial is complete but their statewide rollout hasn't really started yet.

[SRW]

Government strikes NBN deal with Telstra
20 June 2010, ABC News Online

The Federal Government has struck an $11 billion deal with Telstra over the national broadband network.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced the deal at a joint press conference with Telstra chief David Thodey.

The Government will pay $9 billion to access Telstra infrastructure - including pits and ducts - to avoid duplication.

A further $2 billion will go towards dealing with structural separation issues, including setting up a new company, USO Co, to meet Telstra's universal service obligation for the delivery of standard telephone services, payphones and emergency call handling from July 1, 2012.

The Government will also provide $100 million to Telstra to assist in the retraining and redeployment of staff affected by the changes.

It will also pay compensation to Telstra to phase out its copper network and cable broadband internet service.

Instead, Telstra is likely to become the NBN's largest customer by transferring its customers onto the new fibre optic infrastructure.

NBN Co will become the wholesale supplier of last resort for fibre connections in greenfield developments from January 1, 2011.

The deal still needs the approval of Telstra shareholders and the competition regulator.

Mr Rudd says the agreement with Telstra will help the Government provide a new super fast internet system.

"This has been a very difficult, tough, hard negotiation; but it has also been an honest set of negotiations," he said.

"It demonstrates what can be yielded through a process of negotiation where the end point is to deliver better services for all Australians and a better outcome for our nation's economy."

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy described talks between the Government and Telstra as "tough negotiations".

"Today's agreement between Telstra and NBN is significant it will be remembered as the moment the Australian Government and the industry joined together to revolutionise the telecommunications sector in this country," he said.

"The agreement means that NBN can be rolled out quicker, cheaper, more efficiently and with faster take up rates," he said.

Telstra chairwoman Catherine Livingstone says there is still a significant amount of work to do before final aspects of the deal are sorted out.

"The agreement certainly takes us a step closer to achieving that mutually beneficial outcome which, as you know, has always been Telstra's objective," she said.

"That outcome will be in the best interests of Telstra shareholders.

"We're very encouraged by the heads of agreement, but there is a great deal of work to do to achieve the definitive agreements."

The Government has been in negotiations with the telecommunications company since late last year.

[Howie]

Best news all week.. a very sensible outcome

[Wayno]

excellent!

[Hooligan]

I have a question.

Is the goverment going to start ripping up roads left, right and centre to build this?

[Howie]

Mixed deployments... some of the fibre goes overhead (aerial deployment), some use existing ducts (what this deal is all about), and some areas have to be trenched (cut and cover fibre deployment).

The cut and cover is the ripping up of roads you speak of, but it's incredibly quick these days with these ultra expensive fiber trenching machines. You really should google these, and check out the videos of them in action.. they'll do a road in minutes.

[AtD]

Do you remember when they laid the Foxtel cables? On my street at each it was just a hole at one end of the street and a hole at the other, and they force the cable though somehow.

Then Optus came along and tried to put them all above ground.

[Aidan]

Mixed deployments... some of the fibre goes overhead (aerial deployment), some use existing ducts (what this deal is all about), and some areas have to be trenched (cut and cover fibre deployment).

The cut and cover is the ripping up of roads you speak of, but it's incredibly quick these days with these ultra expensive fiber trenching machines. You really should google these, and check out the videos of them in action.. they'll do a road in minutes.

If they're ultra expensive, why are they used rather than trenchless technology?