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Re: Adelaide 5th in world Quality of living survey.

#16 Post by Will » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:55 pm

This is an article published by the Courier Mail in Brisbane.

Considering every other major city in Australia beat them on the list, I wonder why they only attacked us? Why didn't the article or the people interviewed have any criticism for Sydney, Melbourne or Perth?

This raises another important question, which I have noticed over time. Why is there so much hatred for our city elsewhere in the country? Why are we disliked so much?

Brisbane leaders in disbelief at our city's low liveability ranking

by: James McCullough
From:The Courier-Mail
August 15, 201212:00AM
303 comments



QUEENSLAND tourism and business chiefs have slammed a controversial international survey by the prestigious Economist magazine which ranks Adelaide, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth as more liveable cities than Brisbane on the world map.

The Global Liveability survey by the Economist Intelligence Unit of 140 worldwide cities names Melbourne as the most liveable city on the planet, followed by Vienna in Austria, and Vancouver, Toronto and Calgary in Canada.


Reader comment: Got to tell you, we can't think of anywhere else on God's earth where tumble-down timber cottages with tin roofs and bad plumbing are worth upwards of a million dollars. Brisbane strikes us as overblown, overpriced, devoid of polite service and a cultural desert. Just saying'. - George of Massachusetts, USA

Adelaide ranks as the fifth most liveable city in the world, followed by Sydney (7th) and Perth (9th). Auckland, New Zealand ranks 10th while Brisbane is way back in the field, listed as No.20.


Should Brisbane be included on the most liveable cities list?
Yes25.8% (1320 votes)
No69.85% (3574 votes)
Undecided4.36% (223 votes)

Total votes: 5117


Well-known Brisbane company director and tourism entrepreneur Jim Kennedy describes the survey as "simply rubbish".

"After all, if you want to live in a cemetery, live in Adelaide. I travelled there often while I was a board member of Santos and I couldn't wait to get out of the place. It simply doesn't compare with Brisbane."

Mr Kennedy, who has chaired several tourism bodies and run numerous tropical islands in Queensland, said the state offered much including the Outback, Sunshine and Gold coasts and Port Douglas.

"We have much better weather. This survey also depends on the age group of people doing it and the criteria set. How could you compare Vienna or Toronto with Brisbane?" he said.

"You can play golf here 52 weeks in the year and swim most days. We have beaches and sunshine and many people are moving here. Anyone who comes up with a survey suggesting that Adelaide is more liveable than Brisbane has been living in a cave."

The state's wealthiest person Clive Palmer also laughed at suggestions Adelaide was more liveable than Brisbane.

"I find that very hard to believe," he said before jumping on his new jet last night.

RBS Morgans chief economist Michael Knox, who has lived in both Adelaide and Brisbane, didn't think Adelaide was more liveable than Brisbane. "Brisbane has more performing arts and infrastructure than Adelaide and I do not think it is more liveable," he said.

However, he pointed out that Melbourne and Adelaide were carefully planned cities in the late 19th century while Brisbane was not. "I think the people that designed Melbourne were the more far-sighted of the city fathers. And then Melbourne was the second largest city after London in the British Empire at the end of the 19th century."

The global liveability report surveys locations around the world to assess the best or the worst living conditions.

Cities are scored on political and social stability, crime rates and access to quality health care. It also measures the diversity and standard of cultural events and the natural environment; education; and the standard of infrastructure, including public transport.

"Australian cities continue to thrive in terms of liveability - not only do they benefit from the natural advantages of low population density, but they have continued to improve with some high-profile infrastructure investments," Economist Intelligence Unit survey editor Jon Copestake said.

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Re: Adelaide 5th in world Quality of living survey.

#17 Post by crawf » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:08 am

Will wrote:This is an article published by the Courier Mail in Brisbane.

Considering every other major city in Australia beat them on the list, I wonder why they only attacked us? Why didn't the article or the people interviewed have any criticism for Sydney, Melbourne or Perth?

This raises another important question, which I have noticed over time. Why is there so much hatred for our city elsewhere in the country? Why are we disliked so much?
One thing I'm noticing is that our local media is starting to ignore these Adelaide bashing articles, which is a good thing and must mean people no longer give a toss. Considering In the past this would've been seen as a headliner and usually involve some cringeworthy rubbish defending our state in the Advertiser or by our ex Premier.

I don't believe the rest of Australia hates us, hate is such a strong word. However with the combination of previous stagnated growth, notorious bizzare murders and backward decisions (hello Southern Expressway) has not helped. Not to mention we are the smallest city out of the big five capitals, which is probably why the Courier Mail targeted us instead of the other three cities. Just remember Brisbane is nearly half the size of Adelaide these days, which is hard to believe and little embarrassing considering we were once bigger, but that's for another topic!

I will admit that article was pretty harsh. But in reality we already know that Adelaide is losing that cemetery or whatever tag and transforming into a competitive and vibrant city. Though it's going to be some time before the rest of Australia wakes up and realises it... but it will happen, take a look at Melbourne in the 90s and Brisbane in the 80s.

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Re: Adelaide 5th in world Quality of living survey.

#18 Post by JAKJ » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:46 am

Will wrote:This is an article published by the Courier Mail in Brisbane.

Considering every other major city in Australia beat them on the list, I wonder why they only attacked us? Why didn't the article or the people interviewed have any criticism for Sydney, Melbourne or Perth?

This raises another important question, which I have noticed over time. Why is there so much hatred for our city elsewhere in the country? Why are we disliked so much?

Brisbane leaders in disbelief at our city's low liveability ranking

by: James McCullough
From:The Courier-Mail
August 15, 201212:00AM
303 comments



QUEENSLAND tourism and business chiefs have slammed a controversial international survey by the prestigious Economist magazine which ranks Adelaide, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth as more liveable cities than Brisbane on the world map.

The Global Liveability survey by the Economist Intelligence Unit of 140 worldwide cities names Melbourne as the most liveable city on the planet, followed by Vienna in Austria, and Vancouver, Toronto and Calgary in Canada.


Reader comment: Got to tell you, we can't think of anywhere else on God's earth where tumble-down timber cottages with tin roofs and bad plumbing are worth upwards of a million dollars. Brisbane strikes us as overblown, overpriced, devoid of polite service and a cultural desert. Just saying'. - George of Massachusetts, USA

Adelaide ranks as the fifth most liveable city in the world, followed by Sydney (7th) and Perth (9th). Auckland, New Zealand ranks 10th while Brisbane is way back in the field, listed as No.20.


Should Brisbane be included on the most liveable cities list?
Yes25.8% (1320 votes)
No69.85% (3574 votes)
Undecided4.36% (223 votes)

Total votes: 5117


Well-known Brisbane company director and tourism entrepreneur Jim Kennedy describes the survey as "simply rubbish".

"After all, if you want to live in a cemetery, live in Adelaide. I travelled there often while I was a board member of Santos and I couldn't wait to get out of the place. It simply doesn't compare with Brisbane."

Mr Kennedy, who has chaired several tourism bodies and run numerous tropical islands in Queensland, said the state offered much including the Outback, Sunshine and Gold coasts and Port Douglas.

"We have much better weather. This survey also depends on the age group of people doing it and the criteria set. How could you compare Vienna or Toronto with Brisbane?" he said.

"You can play golf here 52 weeks in the year and swim most days. We have beaches and sunshine and many people are moving here. Anyone who comes up with a survey suggesting that Adelaide is more liveable than Brisbane has been living in a cave."

The state's wealthiest person Clive Palmer also laughed at suggestions Adelaide was more liveable than Brisbane.

"I find that very hard to believe," he said before jumping on his new jet last night.

RBS Morgans chief economist Michael Knox, who has lived in both Adelaide and Brisbane, didn't think Adelaide was more liveable than Brisbane. "Brisbane has more performing arts and infrastructure than Adelaide and I do not think it is more liveable," he said.

However, he pointed out that Melbourne and Adelaide were carefully planned cities in the late 19th century while Brisbane was not. "I think the people that designed Melbourne were the more far-sighted of the city fathers. And then Melbourne was the second largest city after London in the British Empire at the end of the 19th century."

The global liveability report surveys locations around the world to assess the best or the worst living conditions.

Cities are scored on political and social stability, crime rates and access to quality health care. It also measures the diversity and standard of cultural events and the natural environment; education; and the standard of infrastructure, including public transport.

"Australian cities continue to thrive in terms of liveability - not only do they benefit from the natural advantages of low population density, but they have continued to improve with some high-profile infrastructure investments," Economist Intelligence Unit survey editor Jon Copestake said.
Typical Queensland insecurity that makes me laugh. Having spent 2.5 years in Qld the place has many attractions however, culture, sophistication and basic plumbing have traditionaly been severely lacking in Brisbane and at best a relatively new experience for the population, for example (from the wikipedia article on Clem Jones):

"In 1961, Brisbane was a city with no town planning, many unpaved streets, limited water supply and few areas with sewers—relying instead on outhouses or septic tanks."

Adelaide was fortunate enough to reach a good size early on which endowed us with significant original cultural precincts and institutions (as well as urban planning) while in Qld, due to their recent growth and wealth, it is more a matter of looking South, seeing what everyene else is doing and then spending money in an attempt to emulate it. I've noticed a real cultural anxiety among the locals up here with a lot of people desparately trying to show how sophisticated they have become instead of accepting their history and playing to the QLD strenghts of a simple, out-door life style.

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Re: Adelaide 5th in world Quality of living survey.

#19 Post by Maximus » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:19 am

There does seem to be a lot of spite interstate, particularly from Queenslanders in recent years, which I agree is probably borne largely out of insecurity. You'd think that such high-level businessmen would have got to where they are partly by understanding the definition of 'tact' and 'professionalism', but it seems that ain't the case. I certainly wouldn't make such derogatory remarks like that in public if I were a businessman of alleged repute. Of course, as noted earlier in this thread, the range of scores between the top 20 or so cities in these surveys is so small that all of those cities are pretty much at the same level anyway.
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Re: Adelaide 5th in world Quality of living survey.

#20 Post by victorious80 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:00 pm

Should Brisbane be included on the most liveable cities list?
Yes 25.8% (1320 votes)
No 69.85% (3574 votes)
Undecided 4.36% (223 votes)

Total votes: 5117

Strange that 70% of the readers voted no. Big difference of opinion compared to the city's "leaders".

No sour grapes though. I have been to Brissy a few times and loved it every time.

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Re: Adelaide 5th in world Quality of living survey.

#21 Post by Ho Really » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:50 pm

Let their insecurity pomplexes continue. Adelaide is only going to get better :lol:

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Re: Adelaide 5th in world Quality of living survey.

#22 Post by Ho Really » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:58 pm

Will wrote:[...]

This raises another important question, which I have noticed over time. Why is there so much hatred for our city elsewhere in the country? Why are we disliked so much?

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Besides what we know already that some have insecurities...our big brothers interstate (those that have always boasted about this or that) now can't handle their smaller counterpart is better than they are. So I'll just plainly and simply call it as it is...jealousy!

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#23 Post by Aidan » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:26 pm

Ho Really wrote:Let their insecurity pomplexes continue. Adelaide is only going to get better :lol:
Yes it is... but will it gain anything that neither Melbourne nor Brisbane already has?
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#24 Post by Paulns » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:19 pm

I agree their just jealous. It's the reason why they take anything they deem good from our state for their own. We're innovative, creative & resourceful, if there's a gap in the market, SA tends to fill it. (Eg the,"The Tour Downunder")
Then if it's successful the other states bid for it and tend to win because in reality they have a greater pulling power than us.

I know it's been said time and time again but could you imagine how much better or higher we'd be if we'd retained some of these events??

• The F1 Grand Prix - Melbourne
• Rugby 7's - Gold Coast
• Men's ATP Tennis - Brisbane
• Arts Festival - Copied by Sydney
• PGA Golf - Qld & other states

I'm sure others can add more to this list? The point is despite all our loses we win in so many other areas. Nearly every morning on the news I see another shooting in Western Sydney, gridlocked traffic in Melbourne, sky rocketing house prices in Perth, Qld's economy down the drain, etc, etc!

I still think there's a lot of potential here. Adelaide's no where near it now though. There's still so much more room for improvement!

For example, every time I go to the Adelaide Airport I'm reminded of how far we've come in barely 10 years! When you look at it, it's basically a brand new airport!! It's a real credit to AAL. A brand new terminal, air traffic control tower, multi level carpark and now even new carriers like Emirates Airways about to fly in!

Wow, the worlds coming to us, it's no wonder why their jealous!
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Re: Adelaide 5th in world Quality of living survey.

#25 Post by claybro » Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:18 pm

Paulns wrote:For example, every time I go to the Adelaide Airport I'm reminded of how far we've come in barely 10 years! When you look at it, it's basically a brand new airport!! It's a real credit to AAL.
Quite right. If it's one thing we have done well it's the airport. I travel interstate often and have on many occaisions overheard other passengers surprise on exiting the plane (these people obviously have not been to Adelaide often). Comments like "wow..all this for little old Adelaide". or gee, this is much bigger/better than I expeced.0r wow, hasnt this all changed etc...

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#26 Post by Hooligan » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:56 am

The airport is great, even though i still have fond memories of the first time i ever went on a plane as a kid and a qantas employee was handing out umbrellas to passengers so they didn't get wet on the walk to the aeroplane.

As lame as that was, it was cool in a strange way.

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#27 Post by Goya's Line » Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:21 am

I remember Billy Connolly being asked by Rove his favourite Australian place and the host babbling incoherently when the answer was 'Adelaide' (a lovely wee spot). Cheers Big Yin!

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#28 Post by peas_and_corn » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:22 pm

As someone who has seen a bunch of Billy's stuff... that's not very surprising. He seems like the sort of person who would like Adelaide.

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#29 Post by Nort » Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:42 pm

It's the whole quality over quantity thing. I've lived in Brisbane and loved it, there are definitely more things to do up there. At the same time though lots of Adelaidians don't realise how good it is here. Not flashy by any means, but...nice.

Of course that won't be everyones cup of tea, but from a pure quality of life perspective we do have it really good.

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#30 Post by monotonehell » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:03 pm

Goya's Line wrote:I remember Billy Connolly being asked by Rove his favourite Australian place and the host babbling incoherently when the answer was 'Adelaide' (a lovely wee spot). Cheers Big Yin!
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