The Federal Politics Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:03 am
Bit of a circus at the moment, hey?
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Your faith in politicians is almost as staggering as my cynicism.metro wrote:... and all will be fixed from that point on as they will have a mandate to do whatever it takes to fix this country.
haha I forgot to add sarcasm to that post, I thought it was obviousmonotonehell wrote:Your faith in politicians is almost as staggering as my cynicism.metro wrote:... and all will be fixed from that point on as they will have a mandate to do whatever it takes to fix this country.
While I agree with you, everyone seems to have forgotten how toxic the labor Government had become under Rudd, in a very short time. Even now, the majority of members do not want to work under him, as they know what it was like. Even Kevin Rudd seems to understand this. It astounds me that the populace doesn't.Wayno wrote:Rudd returning probably won't avoid labor being wiped, but would minimise the loss of seats and give them at least something upon which to build for subsequent elections. Strategy 101.
IMO the SMH is a much better newspaper, and none of the Fairfax papers have a paywall yet. The Australian (weekend or otherwise) is as biased as the rest of the Murdoch press. The Weekend Australian is the paper that published blatant lies about the effectiveness of wind turbines last year, which shows just how shoddy its journalism has become.Wayno wrote:Yep, The Australian firewall is piss weak. Copy/paste into google and you're through. Best paper in Australia, ESP the weekend edition.
Rudd is popular. Abbott is only slightly less unpopular than Gillard. With some decent advertising, the election is certainly winnable for Rudd.Rudd returning probably won't avoid labor being wiped, but would minimise the loss of seats and give them at least something upon which to build for subsequent elections. Strategy 101.
The populace doesn't care - and why should it? It's not our problem if some MPs get difficult jobs!rhino wrote:While I agree with you, everyone seems to have forgotten how toxic the labor Government had become under Rudd, in a very short time. Even now, the majority of members do not want to work under him, as they know what it was like. Even Kevin Rudd seems to understand this. It astounds me that the populace doesn't.Wayno wrote:Rudd returning probably won't avoid labor being wiped, but would minimise the loss of seats and give them at least something upon which to build for subsequent elections. Strategy 101.
That is correct, but there's a huge complication: often the perceived solution to a perceived problem is the exact opposite of the real solution to a real problem. For example, to solve the the perceived problem of getting back to surplus the government is likely to cut back on infrastructure spending.As for Abbott fixing things - most of the problems are perceived problems, which will probably have perceived solutions.
I'm aware they use those in America and refer to them as slugs, but I didn't know there were any at all in Australia. Were those four the only examples?If any of you are aware of the 600-class locos that were converted to Boosters (In 1994 four 600-class locos were converted to Booster Units by Morrison Knudsen, Whyalla to operate with Australian National's ALF class. This involved removing the cab and engine, retaining four of the six bogie traction motors and filling the engine bay with 30 tonnes of concrete with the idea of increasing traction at low speed. They were not successful and placed in store in 1996.)
Ah, but it is! Which is why the Government was going toxic under Rudd - MPs could not deliver what Rudd was telling us they would, within his timeframes, often because he was not consulting with them before making anouncements. While the populace liked Rudd because he was promising to deliver, in fact he didn't deliver, and the populace turned against the party.Aidan wrote:The populace doesn't care - and why should it? It's not our problem if some MPs get difficult jobs!rhino wrote:While I agree with you, everyone seems to have forgotten how toxic the labor Government had become under Rudd, in a very short time. Even now, the majority of members do not want to work under him, as they know what it was like. Even Kevin Rudd seems to understand this. It astounds me that the populace doesn't.Wayno wrote:Rudd returning probably won't avoid labor being wiped, but would minimise the loss of seats and give them at least something upon which to build for subsequent elections. Strategy 101.
They are the only examples of American-style slugs in Australia that I am aware of. Pacific National has converted some XR class locos to XRB, but rather than filling them with concrete, they are just cabin-less XR-class locos that have to be used in conjunction with another loco. I think they refer to them as slugs, but they're not the same thing as the American-style slugs.Aidan wrote:I'm aware they use those in America and refer to them as slugs, but I didn't know there were any at all in Australia. Were those four the only examples?
Can you give an example of a popular thing that Rudd promised but failed to deliver because of ministerial incapability?rhino wrote:Ah, but it is! Which is why the Government was going toxic under Rudd - MPs could not deliver what Rudd was telling us they would, within his timeframes, often because he was not consulting with them before making anouncements. While the populace liked Rudd because he was promising to deliver, in fact he didn't deliver, and the populace turned against the party.Aidan wrote:The populace doesn't care - and why should it? It's not our problem if some MPs get difficult jobs!rhino wrote:
While I agree with you, everyone seems to have forgotten how toxic the labor Government had become under Rudd, in a very short time. Even now, the majority of members do not want to work under him, as they know what it was like. Even Kevin Rudd seems to understand this. It astounds me that the populace doesn't.