[COM] Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1636 Post by SRW » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:13 pm

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While I am all for a an upgrade when I saw the TDU Village [and other events] they need largely just a blank open space/grassed area for all the marquees etc. The original plan was pretty involved [see post #1629 above] with things like water features, native gardens, toilets, kiosk etc etc. What does the forum think exactly should be built considering it may negatively impact on the demands of these events? I mean they could just probably landscape it all probably for $1m-2m - would that do?
In the masterplan, the square was to be 'squared', with more park space created from excessive road space. Additionally, the arbour/verandah running the length of the square was intended to serve as an activation zone. The maximum marque set-up of events like TDU might need to be relocated (to Torrens Parade Ground or elsewhere), but I imagine the majority could be adequately configured to fit the proposed design.
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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1637 Post by claybro » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:24 pm

SRW wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:13 pm
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Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:22 pm
While I am all for a an upgrade when I saw the TDU Village [and other events] they need largely just a blank open space/grassed area for all the marquees etc. The original plan was pretty involved [see post #1629 above] with things like water features, native gardens, toilets, kiosk etc etc. What does the forum think exactly should be built considering it may negatively impact on the demands of these events? I mean they could just probably landscape it all probably for $1m-2m - would that do?
In the masterplan, the square was to be 'squared', with more park space created from excessive road space. Additionally, the arbour/verandah running the length of the square was intended to serve as an activation zone. The maximum marque set-up of events like TDU might need to be relocated (to Torrens Parade Ground or elsewhere), but I imagine the majority could be adequately configured to fit the proposed design.
In my visits to Adelaide, I'm not sure the northern end development has massively activated the square? Except for special festival events, TDU and other 1 off events, there do not seem to be too many in the square during the day. Admittedly I have only observed this in passing. As per the sentiments above, I think in hindsight, the northern end has become a bit "busy" with structures and things that get in the way of big events. Maybe some decent landscaping and a continuation of the arbour (without the massive tiered timber seating) might just be enough for the southern end.

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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1638 Post by Patrick_27 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:42 am

I wouldn't mind the Square being more open than what the masterplan entails, but I think it's vital for it to be 'squared' in order to maximise the relatively wasted pockets of park space that are surrounded by roads and also close Grote Street/Wakefield Street connection. Think, Tuileries Garden in Paris or Hyde Park in London. The arbours are also something I'd love to see take shape, they'd make it that something extra.

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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1639 Post by SBD » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:10 am

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I wouldn't mind the Square being more open than what the masterplan entails, but I think it's vital for it to be 'squared' in order to maximise the relatively wasted pockets of park space that are surrounded by roads and also close Grote Street/Wakefield Street connection. Think, Tuileries Garden in Paris or Hyde Park in London. The arbours are also something I'd love to see take shape, they'd make it that something extra.
Making it square and without the road across the middle would really change the atmosphere around there. I'm not old enough to remember last time it was like that.

What more works would need to be done before the road was closed to make sure that through traffic chose either Greenhill Road or Robe-Fitzroy-Park Terraces rather than Victoria Square roundabout, Flinders or Angas Streets? Would just closing the centre link be enough? Would we need more lanes or more overpass interchanges or less pedestrian activated crossings (replaced by bike/foot bridges) on the ring route or just bigger signs that say "city ring route"?

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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1640 Post by Nathan » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:19 am

One of the key components with squaring the square was much denser plantings around the perimeter. One of the key issues that Victoria Square has always had is traffic noise, so those plantings in the extra space afforded by reconfiguring the roads would make the square a significantly calmer place to go.

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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1641 Post by citywatcher » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:09 pm

Tunnel Wakefield - Grote Sts
Stick to the original plan


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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1642 Post by Nort » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:59 pm

Rather than a tunnel I think you keep Grote/Wakefield open but have a large pedestrian overpass as part of the landscaping of the square.

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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1643 Post by SRW » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:02 pm

Nope to both those options. Despite the very detrimental impact to the public realm, there's really no reason to engineer such infrastructure when a 2 minute detour round the square will do (with the added benefit of calming non-essential traffic in the CBD).
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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1644 Post by SBD » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:42 pm

citywatcher wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:09 pm
Tunnel Wakefield - Grote Sts
Stick to the original plan


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Which "original plan"?
An 1839 plan shows it connected east-west but a large traffic island north-south so King William Street traffic had to go round the edges.

In 1920 it had roads and trams in "plus-shape" as well as roads round the edge according to a 1920 Reference map of Adelaide and suburbs but I guess that doesn't say what had been planned but not built.

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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1645 Post by claybro » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:50 pm

SRW wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:02 pm
Nope to both those options. Despite the very detrimental impact to the public realm, there's really no reason to engineer such infrastructure when a 2 minute detour round the square will do (with the added benefit of calming non-essential traffic in the CBD).
Agree to this. The cost of any tunnels or pedestrian overpass etc, is not warranted. Activity focus will now surely be on the Riverbank plaza once it opens, and I think we are really just flogging a dead horse with Vic Square now as far a major revamps are concerned. It would surely not be too difficult to square off KW St a bit to get rid of the useless corner islands, and re landscape the southern end as said. Oh and more large shade trees instead of structures would make it a quieter and more pleasant place, with maybe a very small kiosk/café with outdoor seating for lunch.

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[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m

#1646 Post by HeapsGood » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:01 pm

Very glad the original Masterplan wasnt completed or followed, the sourthern portion of the vic square redesign was a busy mess and the road realignment is too expensive and unnecessary.

Just mirror some of the northern square to the southern part, put in some more shaded areas in line with the design. Bobs your uncle. Does the job. We dont need some native planted brown dirt pathed maze.
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#1647 Post by citywatcher » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:06 pm

SBD wrote:
citywatcher wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:09 pm
Tunnel Wakefield - Grote Sts
Stick to the original plan


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Which "original plan"?
An 1839 plan shows it connected east-west but a large traffic island north-south so King William Street traffic had to go round the edges.

In 1920 it had roads and trams in "plus-shape" as well as roads round the edge according to a 1920 Reference map of Adelaide and suburbs but I guess that doesn't say what had been planned but not built.
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