#VIS: Royal Adelaide Hospital Rebuild

[naughton]

Martin Hamilton-Smith will be blogging live this evening re his party's three options for a rebuild.
Join in at http://www.martin2010.com.au
The site also contains the full policy document.

[skyliner]

Read on front page of the AFR today that the new hospital is looking to be short of $1bn in funds! Interesting. IMO I hope they never use the proposed site - maybe the shortage in funds will cause re consideration of this.Look forward to some significant alterations in the future.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

[Howie]

Martin Hamilton-Smith will be blogging live this evening re his party's three options for a rebuild.
Join in at http://www.martin2010.com.au
The site also contains the full policy document.

Cheers for that. It's a good read, i suggest people have a look at it before making judgement.

[Ho Really]

I think it was announced tonight on one of the news programs that there will be (90-days of) public consultation on the Lib's plan. How many days of public consultation have there been for Labor's railyards plan?

Cheers

[Cruise]

Coming soon: SimCity: MHS edition. Where buildings cost nothing more than $1.

Out Now: Sim City: Rann edition. Where public consultation is not needed!!!

[Cruise]

Martin Hamilton-Smith will be blogging live this evening re his party's three options for a rebuild.
Join in at http://www.martin2010.com.au
The site also contains the full policy document.

Cheers for that. It's a good read, i suggest people have a look at it before making judgement.

Howie, We all have no need to check it. Everyone knows that Liberal = Bad and Labor = Good (No execptions)

[Howie]

Cruise it's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or you're for real there. How's it possible to judge how good a proposal is without looking at the details? It's something members of S-A and SSC should know all too well by now.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not in support of either political parties, in fact i've been a Labor voter all my life (as with my parents). But i'm losing faith in this cabinet, and the proposals they're putting forward in my mind seem to go against 1) public support, 2) economics, 3) vision. Anyhow, the labor-vs-liberal debate probably belongs 2010 Election thread we have.

Let's try to judge each proposal by it's own merits. The quality of the renders look good, the details put forward in the policy document (e.g. the demolition of the nurses ward, returning some parklands, building the RAH taller) are all ideas that have my support. The criticism by Minister Hill on the lack of an accellerator for the Radiology ward is incorrect, it appears to have that in the Liberal plan.. just thought i'd correct this false claim before anyone starts barking on about it.

[Benski81]

Martin Hamilton-Smith will be blogging live this evening re his party's three options for a rebuild.
Join in at http://www.martin2010.com.au
The site also contains the full policy document.

Cheers for that. It's a good read, i suggest people have a look at it before making judgement.

Rannt (get it) Commencing, tune out if you don't care enough to read on:

Do you know I just clicked on that link to Hamilton Smith's website and could get past the first page because it was all about how bad labour is. By reading the website you would be excused for thinking that Mike Rann was Satan icarnate himself. Seriously does MHS realise that by being constantly negative and opposing EVERYTING that the government does it just makes him look like stupid?! It actually has the effect of making us, the voter, tune out to what he has to say about anything. It makes me feel like I can't get past the first few paragraphs of his website regardless as to the quality of the content which I don't read because I can't get passed the constant Rann bad, Labour bad, Foley bad, Labour bad, Current Government bad, Labour bad. Does this retard honestly think that is an effective political strategy?

I want an opposition party that supports an idea/policy when it's good and fairly and correctly criticises and idea/policy when it needs to be criticised. As a swing voter if we had such an opposition I'd actually listen to them and they'd probably get my vote but just to oppose absolutely everything that the government does is completely non-constructive and drives me insane so that I go venting on an internet forum about it! While I may not agree with everything the current government is doing I can't bring myself to support such a lame opposition either.

As for that website how can I read it when I can't get passed the overwhelmingly negative vibe coming from it.

Ah therapy for the day.

End rant.

[peas_and_corn]

Martin Hamilton-Smith will be blogging live this evening re his party's three options for a rebuild.
Join in at http://www.martin2010.com.au
The site also contains the full policy document.

Cheers for that. It's a good read, i suggest people have a look at it before making judgement.

Rannt (get it) Commencing, tune out if you don't care enough to read on:

Do you know I just clicked on that link to Hamilton Smith's website and could get past the first page because it was all about how bad labour is. By reading the website you would be excused for thinking that Mike Rann was Satan icarnate himself. Seriously does MHS realise that by being constantly negative and opposing EVERYTING that the government does it just makes him look like stupid?! It actually has the effect of making us, the voter, tune out to what he has to say about anything. It makes me feel like I can't get past the first few paragraphs of his website regardless as to the quality of the content which I don't read because I can't get passed the constant Rann bad, Labour bad, Foley bad, Labour bad, Current Government bad, Labour bad. Does this retard honestly think that is an effective political strategy?

I want an opposition party that supports an idea/policy when it's good and fairly and correctly criticises and idea/policy when it needs to be criticised. As a swing voter if we had such an opposition I'd actually listen to them and they'd probably get my vote but just to oppose absolutely everything that the government does is completely non-constructive and drives me insane so that I go venting on an internet forum about it! While I may not agree with everything the current government is doing I can't bring myself to support such a lame opposition either.

As for that website how can I read it when I can't get passed the overwhelmingly negative vibe coming from it.

Ah therapy for the day.

End rant.

Touche.

While playing 'oppose everything' wins certain political points, it doesn't win elections. If they have a hope of doing well (let alone winning) they need to spend more time pimping out this to push this idea that that SA Liberal party has some ideas for what they will do if they win power. TBH I am totally undecided when it comes to the next election but the Liberals currently aren't being very convincing.

[Norman]

Expressions of interest are now being called for the new RAH project. The PPP contract is for 35 years after financial close.

I estimate that, if the PPP process is successful, the tender will be chosen and designing will start in 2011/12, with completion in 2016/17.

Here's the E-Mail I recieved:

The South Australian Government has approved the procurement of the new Royal Adelaide Hospital via a public private partnership (PPP) delivery model for a contract term of 35 years from financial close.

Expressions of interest (EOI) are now invited from consortia which are capable of providing all of the following services:

• Design
• Construction
• Commissioning
• Finance, and
• Provision of a range of facilities management services over the contract term.

Please visit the SA Tenders and Contracts website (code DTEI-BM017488) for information and closing date.

[Howie]

Wrong thread Norman... that's for the new RAH not the rebuilt RAH.

[Norman]

Whoops, my mistake

[skyliner]

i'm in favour of a new hospital
i'm against using the railyards
i'm in favour of a frugal approach
i'm against anyone proposing a new hospital without consultation
i'm in favour of anyone who supports a process of inclusion
i'm against political slandering from both labor and liberal

oh well, time to vote Independent...

Similar view also mate. 'Frugal' will have a strong bearing on either party - just read articles on SA economy from AFR 5/6/09 (P12 - 13) entitled 'Tough Action Averts Downgrade', 'Tapping a High Watermark' and 'Deficit Blows Out to $304m'.
From this last article - GSP 2007 - 8 = 3.8%, 2009 - 10 = -0.5%. Unemployment rate 2007 - 8 = 4.2%, 2009 - 10= 8.25%. To put it all in perspective, we still have our AAA rating whilst some states are already on AA.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

[AtD]

From this last article - GSP 2007 - 8 = 3.8%, 2009 - 10 = -0.5%.

Sauce? The 2008/09 financial year hasn't even finished yet, let alone been published.

[peachy]

Probably of interest to followers of this thread, as you are probably pro keeping the RAH on current site, thus freeing up the railyards for an entertainment precinct:
(sorry if you read this on another thread as ive replicated the message on a few related topics, just skip it as they are all worded the same)

The Save the RAH Action Group is holding a public sausage sizzle in Rundle Park (end of rundle st, where garden of unearthly delights is held for the fringe).
It is on Sunday 21st June (this sunday coming) at 11am until 2pm. According to the website it will have invited speakers Vickie Chapman MP(Opposition Heath spokesman), Senator Nick Xenophon and Mark Parnell MLC. Health Minister John hill was invited but unfortunately unable to attend.

I think by rocking up is probably the best way (and cheap/easy) to send Rann the message that the railyard RAH is not supported by the community, both medical professional and wider public. With a liberal, independent and green (Parnell) it would appear to be a cross party gathering so don't be put off if you think it will be a liberal rally, thus, hopefully accessible even for labor supporters who still disagree with this one policy.
Writing on forums like Sen-Ad is great to develop my own views and hear other's points of view, but i know ive always been interested in doing something like attending this to actively show my support and am guessing there are also others on the site who share this ambition. Its clear (especially in adelaide) that interest groups (for better and worst) can sway the political process, so might as well use this often harmful tool to progression for an act of good (IMO). If there is a big crowd its going to make the news and get further towards page 1 in the tiser, thus it will be harder for Rann to spin. If there is a poor turn out, i guess the public does support the new railyard RAH and this is how the gov will interpret it.

All this info i found on their website, http://www.saverah.com.au. There is more info on the site also and you can join the site to show your support (get their membership number up) and then get emailed news updates.
See you Sunday.