News & Discussion: CBD Retail

[Waewick]

We don't need a Dan Murphy's in the CBD. We don't need the Woolies/Wesfarmers duopoly taking over any more than it already has. There's already a Vintage Cellars (Wesfarmers) at Central Market.

I'd prefer to see more liquor stores in the vain of East End Cellars.

so do I

but the problem which is quite clear is people are not prepared to pay for the service or the uniqueness.

Like most places Adelaidians want cheap cheap cheap and did I mention cheap?

[Omicron]

I've always found that the proper wine chaps in Dan Murphy's - those doing the tastings, and with the little badges saying, er, 'Proper Wine Chap' or something like that, have always been very knowledgeable and helpful. Many are just worker bees filling this and that, which is to be expected in such a high-volume store, but if you ask the right person, they're full of good advice.

[ml69]

Unlikely to ever happen, due to the type of customer which shops in Dan Murphy's.

Dan's are "destination" rather than "convenience" outlets, meaning that customers are usually prepared to drive large distances to travel to a store. Once there, the customer makes (on average) a larger $ purchase than they do in a BWS or Woolworths Liquor outlet for example. Having made their purchase, customers will usually want to load it into their car.

A Central Market location doesn't easily lend itself to that, as do CBD locations in general. This may explain why there is only one Dan Murphy's store located within a CBD in Australia (Melbourne).

PS. I've worked closely with Woolworths/Dan Murphy's in the liquor industry over the past year.

[Burger]

Has anyone heard any more info on this? Or whether Apple or Zara are planning to open a store in the Adelaide CBD?

I think the opening of an Apple and/or Zara store in Rundle Mall would be a huge drawcard to attract shoppers into the city if the reaction to the Sydney Zara opening is anything to go by. I've also walked past the Apple store in George St Sydney (lived there the past 14 months) and the place is absolutely packed.

If the Adelaide Oval redevelopment goes ahead it would be a boon to see a massive influx of people there on the weekend. Would really get the mall pumping ....

Hope I pulled the quote through properly - apologies to ml69 if I didn't.

I know for a fact that a deal has already been done with Apple for the CBD...but they won't be opening for a couple of years because the space has yet to be created for them. I don't know if they are looking outside of the CBD for a suburban store with a shorter lead-time (Marion, Norwood, BV...).

[Pants]

There've been a few occasions in this thread where people have said that deals have been done to bring a particular brand into the mall that are waiting on retail space to open up... who exactly are these deals being done with?

I can understand such deals being done with shopping centre operators, but as the mall tenancies have various owners, who's signing on as future landlords?

Is it that a deal's been done with an owner of one or more tenancies in the mall and it's waiting on a specific or other tenancy held by that owner to become available or are these deals not really deals, but the brand just expressing an interest in coming over subject to a suitable space opening up, whoever the owner?

[Tyler_Durden]

I've also walked past the Apple store in George St Sydney (lived there the past 14 months) and the place is absolutely packed

....with tourists taking advantage of free internet.

[source of info]

i know theo maras is now part of the rundle mall board. he was brought in as an advisor and mediator between landlords and tenants as he has the best contacts in the industry. there was an article in the paper not long ago stating he was brought in and was in charge of putting landlords/owners in touch with brands, hence the increase in brands hitting the cbd. Pretty sure apple is getting mall frontage in the new HS building, as ACP are having trouble accomadating their needs. They should take the Borders site, good size and location. I know he will do anything to get the brands off of BV, as the mall/North Tce & rundle street are his master plan of major retail.

[Burger]

There've been a few occasions in this thread where people have said that deals have been done to bring a particular brand into the mall that are waiting on retail space to open up... who exactly are these deals being done with?

Pants, in reference to my comment earlier today, the deal has been done directly with the Owner and the site is currently under development (that should pretty much give away the location).

I'm trying to get my hands on some floor plans and will post them if I do.

[Nathan]

i know theo maras is now part of the rundle mall board. he was brought in as an advisor and mediator between landlords and tenants as he has the best contacts in the industry. there was an article in the paper not long ago stating he was brought in and was in charge of putting landlords/owners in touch with brands, hence the increase in brands hitting the cbd. Pretty sure apple is getting mall frontage in the new HS building, as ACP are having trouble accomadating their needs. They should take the Borders site, good size and location. I know he will do anything to get the brands off of BV, as the mall/North Tce & rundle street are his master plan of major retail.

Seems odd for Apple to want in there. They typically want a lot of control on the look of the store facade, and I can't see them settling for that horrible beige blandness that is the HS building.

[crawf]

It's going to be very interesting to see what store will take over the Borders building, could be prefect for Apple.

A beautiful old building with a ultra modern interior..

[Ben]

It's going to be very interesting to see what store will take over the Borders building, could be prefect for Apple.

A beautiful old building with a ultra modern interior..

I thought Zara. It's a massive store. it would be too big for Apple.

[SRW]

It's going to be very interesting to see what store will take over the Borders building, could be prefect for Apple.

A beautiful old building with a ultra modern interior..

I thought Zara. It's a massive store. it would be too big for Apple.

+1

[HeapsGood]

Unlikely to ever happen, due to the type of customer which shops in Dan Murphy's.

Dan's are "destination" rather than "convenience" outlets, meaning that customers are usually prepared to drive large distances to travel to a store. Once there, the customer makes (on average) a larger $ purchase than they do in a BWS or Woolworths Liquor outlet for example. Having made their purchase, customers will usually want to load it into their car.

A Central Market location doesn't easily lend itself to that, as do CBD locations in general. This may explain why there is only one Dan Murphy's store located within a CBD in Australia (Melbourne).

PS. I've worked closely with Woolworths/Dan Murphy's in the liquor industry over the past year.

It could work for the Central Markets considering many people do park there. But I totally get your point. I just want cheap booze for after work drinks :p

[Ben]

Likely location of a high end retailer but it will be a small store whoever it is:

Type: Development Application Received
Application Number: DA/340/2011
Lodgement Date: 2/05/2011
Location: Bang & Olufsen, Ground 25 Grenfell Street, ADELAIDE SA 5000
Description: Internal and external alterations and create 2 tenancies from 1.

[Omicron]

I wonder if B&O have ever sold....anything from that store?