Waewick wrote:lets face it
for $535m...the State governmnet has won the naming rights for the oval for 20 years!
Aidan wrote:Is there still the problem of prostitutes on Churchill Road causing traffic congestion?
Pikey wrote:Got it in one Adam.
SJ, it's done now, give your conspiracy theories a rest ok? First the hospital, now this. Yes, I too am a Liberal voter, and would have loved a new stand alone stadium, and a redeveloped RAH, but the Libs lost. This is what we've got, and I like it, so do the SACA members, and do the wide majority of the SA public. Surely you have to agree that the ramifications of this development on the rest of Adelaide are massive, with a re-generation that none of us would have experienced before about to occur.
It's here, it's done, it's happening, move on.
stumpjumper wrote:I accept the the development will go ahead. I consider that the way that decision was made - 20,000 members of a private limited membership sports club voting to decide on whether the government spends of half a billion of taxpayers' money along with paying out the sporting club's probably unsupportable self-induced debt - to be akin to Monty Python's 'if a woman weighs the same as a duck she's a witch', but the deed is done. The fact that recently signed SACA members may unknowingly providing a yes proxy vote even if they abstained doesn't make it any less Pythonesque, but we are going to get our horseshoe semi-stadium.
Adelaide Oval upgrade gets big green light, paving way for footy in city
Daniel Wills Political Reporter From: The Advertiser May 04, 2011 12:00AM
Aspiring footballers Billy Stretch (right) and Sam McGill are the new generation excited about AFL coming to Adelaide Oval. Picture: Calum Robertson Source: The Advertiser
SOUTH Australians will feel their city is alive with an upgraded Adelaide Oval and a more vibrant, active city centre, psychologists and business experts say.
They say South Australia's reputation - here and interstate - as the backwater state where nothing happens also will fade when the Adelaide Oval and riverbank redevelopment goes ahead.
Widespread relief over Monday night's historic vote of South Australian Cricket Association members was tempered late yesterday when the State Government warned plans for AFL matches to begin at Adelaide Oval in 2014 would be placed in jeopardy if Parliament refused to play ball on landmark legislation to guarantee the project's long-term viability.
Infrastructure Minister Pat Conlon has revealed he will introduce legislation within weeks to guarantee football and cricket permanent rights to use the stadium and grant them a long-term lease over the site.
Mr Conlon yesterday also foreshadowed free public transport for all football fans heading to matches at the Oval in an attempt to reduce the demand for carparking.
The Government expects to begin construction after the next cricket season but has warned the project will become costlier and the start of football games delayed if landmark legislation is held up in the Upper House.
"It's difficult for us to go to that process with surety if, by then, we haven't got the legislation taken care of. And that's why we'd really like to do it quickly and get it through before we go on the mid-year break," Mr Conlon said.
"That's not going to happen if the Liberals oppose it. And it's going to make it very hard for us to keep timelines.
"The Legislative Council could stuff this around forever.
"The issue is whether they think it will proceed, and want it on time and in the cheapest fashion."
Family First and The Greens have expressed a willingness to support the changes.
However, the Opposition's support would guarantee speedy success. Opposition Leader Isobel Redmond said she would have to see what legislation was introduced.
Mr Conlon said one of the major complaints over the project - carparking capacity - could be solved by including the cost of public transport in a football ticket.
Organisational psychologist Dr Darryl Cross said the new major arena in the city centre would lead to people seeing their city in a different light.
"People often say there's not enough life in the city," Dr Cross said yesterday. "What they're talking about is movement and activity, which has often been described as dead. Bringing a stadium to life will have a fringe benefit."
Dr Cross said greater vibrancy in the area around Adelaide Oval would lead to more activity in the city, with people flocking to restaurants and shopping precincts.
"I think people will see (the redevelopment) as a step up."
Business SA chief executive Peter Vaughan said that proceeding with the Adelaide Oval redevelopment would be a green light for generational change.
He said a no vote would have reinforced the view that you couldn't get anything done in SA.
"I think what's been done is it has given a green light to anybody who is thinking of putting money into Adelaide; that with good, hard work and planning, people here are happy with new ideas and thoughts," he said.
"Young people or old, what keeps workers in the state is if there is sustainable employment. This will create activity, employment and entertainment."
Their comments come as the Federal Government pledges talks with state counterparts over extra funding for the planned 50,000- seat stadium, in the wake of the 80 per cent SACA vote for football in the city.
Final results also indicate the vote's fate was sealed last week - well before the Wayville Showgrounds meeting.
It is believed that about 85 per cent of participating members lodged early proxy or online votes.
Adelaide City Council has expressed support for extending the length of the Oval contract but is reluctant to give up the control of - and possible revenue from - parklands ownership to sporting heavyweights.
The Opposition yesterday launched a new attack on the Oval project and demanded that the Government provide final costs for the redevelopment, which it claims will lock taxpayers into a near $1 billion spend.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou yesterday reaffirmed the organisation would provide a "significant contribution" to the development, expected to be about $5 million for football-specific infrastructure.
Five expressions of interest have already been received for the construction project and the Government intends to select a preferred builder as early as July.
A total cost will be determined then, but Mr Conlon says early indications are $535 million may be enough to finish the build.
Billy Stretch, 14, son of Melbourne wingman Steven, has always dreamed of playing AFL and could be one of the first to play at a revamped Adelaide Oval in 2014.
"It would mean a lot to play at Adelaide Oval," said Stretch, who plays in the SANFL, with Glenelg's under-16s.
"It looks to be a fantastic oval, right in the heart of the city; but it will take a lot of hard work and commitment to get it to that stage."
Woodville-West Torrens under-15 player Sam McGill said he had always dreamed of playing a higher lever of footy.
"It would be new and exciting to play on a deck like this which is so pristine," he said after having a kick with Stretch at Adelaide Oval yesterday.
"Playing footy here will be bring everyone from all over the place, whereas at West Lakes, it would just be the people from the west."
Jory: Why Adelaide needs a new Oval
Rex Jory From: The Advertiser May 01, 2011 11:30PM
I AM a member of a diminishing but privileged group who saw Don Bradman bat.
I was a child. A white-haired Sir Donald made 89 for the stockbrokers against the clerks at Railway Oval.
But I can legitimately say I saw Bradman bat. I also saw Gary Sobers make 250 against New South Wales on the Adelaide Oval and 254 against Australia in the World Series at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.
I played one game of football with the legendary Ron Barassi. As an Essendon member I watched the Bombers' last appearance in a grand final at the MCG in 2001. And I once hit a six into the Coca Cola booth near the Victor Richardson gates at Adelaide Oval.
I recount those few random stories to establish some sort of dubious sporting credentials and - in the case of the six - to illustrate that spectator facilities at Adelaide Oval are set back in the past century.
I am not entitled to vote in tonight's members' ballot, which will decide whether Adelaide Oval is to be redeveloped as a world-class sporting facility or remain trapped in the nostalgia of another era - the era of the Coca Cola booth. If I did, I would vote for progress and change.
Don't get me wrong. I love Adelaide Oval. But I was given a detailed briefing on the plans for the Oval from SANFL chief executive Leigh Wicker. To my untrained eye the plans are outstanding.
Most South Australians are accustomed to the facilities at Adelaide Oval and AAMI Stadium at West Lakes. We accept them as adequate, as good enough, perhaps we feel comfortable with them. That's the way they've always been.
The shortcomings of both venues are not obvious until they are compared with what could be. And what could be is magnificent.
This is not an argument about retaining the grace and elegance of a great cricket ground.
It is not about violating our heritage or upsetting the sporting ghosts of the past. Nor is it about tinkering with a corner of the Parklands, extending the tramline, obscuring the view of St Peter's Cathedral, building a bridge across the Torrens or cars parking in the streets of North Adelaide.
The Adelaide Oval debate transcends these issues. Tonight's vote is about proving that South Australia has the will, the imagination and the determination to build a world-class, multi-function stadium in the heart of the city.
It's about proving to ourselves and the rest of Australia this is a progressive, can-do state. It's about showing projects such as the stupid one-way Southern Expressway are an aberration, not a reflection of insular, bone-headed planning.
Not since the construction of the Festival Centre in the 1970s has SA been confronted with the challenge of building something iconic and of national significance.
If the redevelopment of Adelaide Oval, in the form I have seen, goes ahead, SA - not only Adelaide - will leave a magnificent legacy for future generations. If the plan fails then, in the eyes of the rest of Australia, SA has failed.
SA will be left with an ageing and outdated football-only stadium at West Lakes and a half-built mish-mash of a cricket oval in the city.
Football attendances are falling, not because the Crows and the Power are struggling but because people today expect a full social experience - not just a pie and a Coke at half-time. They want comfort and choice.
The plans for Adelaide Oval embrace a superb viewing experience as well as bar and dining facilities - from restaurants to a barbecue. And not just for the privileged members. It's available to everyone.
Redevelopment of Adelaide Oval will change not only SA's sporting image, but its image as a dynamic, progressive and imaginative economic, sporting and cultural centre.
Build it and they will come. Scrap it and they will laugh
Nathan wrote:Yes, people voted Labor for a variety of reasons, but the oval was part of their platform and they were voted in.
- see 'The Rise And Rise Of Michael Rimmer'That said, having a referendum on every large project is pretty close to my definition of hell
breeds bastards like me.Secrecy, poor or misleading information,
- see under 'psychological arguments' in 'Public Dollars, Private Stadiums'.Build it and they will come. Scrap it and they will laugh
Hooligan wrote:Waewick wrote:lets face it
for $535m...the State governmnet has won the naming rights for the oval for 20 years!
Margery Jackson-Nelson Oval?
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