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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:20 pm
by ghs
Stryker wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:35 pm
When’s the office tower going to start?
The office tower is a long way off. At this stage there's no tennants and no builder appointed.

[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:06 pm
by Spurdo
Stryker wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:35 pm
When’s the office tower going to start? Seems odd that they’d build the car park and not start the tower too.
Office tower is supposed to start sometime in the next few years however, they will presumably build the tower core a few floors above ground and cap it so that work can be restarted fairly easily. Also, according to walker corp the anchor tenant for the tower should be revealed some time before christmas.

[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:30 pm
by SRW
Timelapse of development from Feb 17 to Sept 18 posted on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/294478317

[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:37 pm
by Stryker
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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:35 am
by HiTouch
I wonder where they are digging is near the old Adelaide Underground Railway to Exhibition Station... or is that in a different space?

[COM] Re: [U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:59 am
by prometheus2704
HiTouch wrote:I wonder where they are digging is near the old Adelaide Underground Railway to Exhibition Station... or is that in a different space?
It was never an "underground" per se. But the alignment was at the back of Government House where the Pathway of Honour is, ducking under King William and then curving to the Adelaide Railway Station through the Festival Theatre.

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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:42 pm
by SBD
prometheus2704 wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:59 am
HiTouch wrote:I wonder where they are digging is near the old Adelaide Underground Railway to Exhibition Station... or is that in a different space?
It was never an "underground" per se. But the alignment was at the back of Government House where the Pathway of Honour is, ducking under King William and then curving to the Adelaide Railway Station through the Festival Theatre.
Do you know where/how it connected in to the railway station and/or rest of the railway network?

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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:18 pm
by prometheus2704
SBD wrote:
prometheus2704 wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:59 am
HiTouch wrote:I wonder where they are digging is near the old Adelaide Underground Railway to Exhibition Station... or is that in a different space?
It was never an "underground" per se. But the alignment was at the back of Government House where the Pathway of Honour is, ducking under King William and then curving to the Adelaide Railway Station through the Festival Theatre.
Do you know where/how it connected in to the railway station and/or rest of the railway network?
My understanding is that track closest to the Torrens at the time (roughly platform 5) continued through. Curving towards the Festival Theatre and then back to go along the back of Government House.

I'll see if I can't track down the source I read it all from. It was a while back though.

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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:44 pm
by SBD
prometheus2704 wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:18 pm
SBD wrote:
prometheus2704 wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:59 am
It was never an "underground" per se. But the alignment was at the back of Government House where the Pathway of Honour is, ducking under King William and then curving to the Adelaide Railway Station through the Festival Theatre.
Do you know where/how it connected in to the railway station and/or rest of the railway network?
My understanding is that track closest to the Torrens at the time (roughly platform 5) continued through. Curving towards the Festival Theatre and then back to go along the back of Government House.

I'll see if I can't track down the source I read it all from. It was a while back though.
My childhood memories have the Overland and country trains on the platforms on the Torrens side, but that is getting to be a long time ago.

[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:16 am
by Patrick_27
I think it needs to be said that whilst both Labor and Liberal state governments have been having moronic conversations about where to build an Adelaide concert hall (and almost completely disregarding the ASOs input, I might add). That the perfect site for a concert hall is that of the Festival Plaza... Attached to the Adelaide Festival Centre (just as Hamer Hall is attached to the Melbourne Arts Centre). Build your carpark below, scrap the office tower (that will likely be 40-50% empty at any one given time) and build a concert hall above ground with a strip or promenade of restaurants and cafes between it and the other shells of the Festival Centre. Keeps the land entirely public and brings about the desired and necessary activation from nighttime performances, to rehearsals, to daytime performances and recitals, to office workers from the ASO camp.

[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:40 am
by rev
Patrick_27 wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:16 am
I think it needs to be said that whilst both Labor and Liberal state governments have been having moronic conversations about where to build an Adelaide concert hall (and almost completely disregarding the ASOs input, I might add). That the perfect site for a concert hall is that of the Festival Plaza... Attached to the Adelaide Festival Centre (just as Hamer Hall is attached to the Melbourne Arts Centre). Build your carpark below, scrap the office tower (that will likely be 40-50% empty at any one given time) and build a concert hall above ground with a strip or promenade of restaurants and cafes between it and the other shells of the Festival Centre. Keeps the land entirely public and brings about the desired and necessary activation from nighttime performances, to rehearsals, to daytime performances and recitals, to office workers from the ASO camp.
Why cram more in there and make it more crowded? That's one thing I dislike about the office tower idea.
What about across the road in the car park of the parade ground(a bitumen eyesore), and the ugly little garden area next to it? Could build an underground car park there to replace the parade ground car park.

[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:45 am
by omada
What' s the danger of there being a carpark and no office tower for an extended period of time? It's happened before in Adelaide, all too much. That would be quite the eyesore.

[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:14 am
by Nort
omada wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:45 am
What' s the danger of there being a carpark and no office tower for an extended period of time? It's happened before in Adelaide, all too much. That would be quite the eyesore.
It will be a public area until the tower gets built so I wouldn't worry about it being an eyesore.

What I am annoyed about is that they didn't mandate that the rights to use that land to build the tower required the tower to be built coinciding with the other works.

With the staggered construction of the plaza/casino/tower it's likely that this site will be a construction zone for at least the next 5 years.

[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:26 am
by how good is he
The office tower could be called the "Thirty Pieces Of Silver" tower [the price Judas received to betray Jesus]. My guess is the Govt had to give this [plus the car park] to Walker Corp. in exchange for Walker funding 2/3 [66%] of this development [and the Govt 1/3 - 33%]. You can't blame the developer - he has to make the money somehow to pay for it all. The delay to start building and completion could be dictated and aligned to time with any potential major tenants expiry of their current lease obligations. So it may be in the developers interest to stall the building. It would be interesting if the Govt is/becomes the likely tenant for the office tower .. anyone know their situation with the current SA admin buildings?

[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:59 am
by HeapsGood
That office tower would be an ideal spot for many MP offices considering its location.