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[COM] Re: 11-27 Frome Street | ~120m & 70m | 36 & 21 Levels

#91 Post by slenderman » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:54 pm

Cranjer wrote:Anyone have the tools to put this building into context against our skyline? Be interesting to see the effect of a potential new tallest so far towards the east end.
Yeah. I can do that if you'd like. We can run with Patrick's 140m for now until there's a confirmed height.

This isn't particularly good. The tower component is decent, but a bit mediocre. It reminds me of the apartments proposed near the Newmarket Hotel. It would be acceptable as a density filler in the west of the CBD, but for a new tallest, it lacks any sort of "statement". And the podium is absolutely abysmal, especially the corner with the Cold War fortification concrete block. The podium does not look inviting from street level as it's meant to; if anything, it makes the street look more oppressive than if it were just the tower because it's so chunky.

And if that's the student accommodation tower to the right, it looks absolutely horrendous. Cheap and nasty minimum-expense job there. Looks like they're paying homage to the Globe Apartments and that eight-storey Hume Street development, both of which are butt-ugly. Back to the drawing board with AT LEAST that one please.

News article with Patrick's 140m height at http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/realestat ... 9b7eb3aa0

As a side note, I love how they copied the list of tallest buildings from Wikipedia. The InterContinental Hotel is actually 87m, but somebody changed it to 91m on the Wikipedia article for some reason so that's what they're running with.

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#92 Post by Algernon » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:09 pm

It's not an office building and never was. 140m never on the cards.

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#93 Post by crawf » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:11 pm

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Ben wrote:I found a couple of renders ;)
Not far off..

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Average. It would be nice to fill gaps, but not so nice when it will(potentially if it gets approved and goes ahead) be so dominant on the skyline.
Looks like something out of SimCity to be honest.
Oh dear.... there goes any anticipation for this. Please tell me this is just a concept?!

On the plus side, the glass seems to curve as it reaches the top and could look decent if high quality glass is used.

I'll remain optimistic and wait for better renders. That podium however is hideous.... and that student tower :shock:.

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#94 Post by crawf » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:15 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:A reporter from The Advertiser asked me at the council committee meeting yesterday how tall I thought this might be and I said 140m... I think I may have been a little off in my guess there, I apologise in advance when they provide such an unusually height in their report. :lol:
Lol....and look what we have
Proposed 36-storey residential tower on Frome St a soaring vision for city’s East End
Sam Kelton, The Advertiser
July 20, 2016 9:00pm

THE east-end of the city will reach for the stars under an ambitious proposal for a 36-storey residential tower on Frome St that could become our city’s biggest skyscraper.

The hotel and apartment complex, if approved could be the tallest building in Adelaide at an estimated 140m, nudging out Westpac House at 31 storeys and 132m.

The Frome St development, which is currently before the Development Assessment Commission features outdoor entertaining areas, an outdoor pool more than 10 floors up and luxury penthouses at the top.

Developer Kyren presented its design to Adelaide City Council this week in order to make Tavistock Lane — which runs adjacent to the development on the south side — a public lane.

This would become an important but not integral piece to the development which would provide access and a drop off point to the hotel and link through to another 21 storey student accommodation building proposed by the same developer on Synagogue Place.

Kyren did not return The Advertiser’s calls however the images clearly show the project occupying the space of the popular fringe venue The Rhino Room, which was put up for sale last year.

It’s the latest in a number of proposed developments that could potentially change the scope of the city, including the estimated $175 million, 30 storey Park Hotel on the old State Bank building on Pirie St.

Lord Mayor Martin Haese is excited by the project but says it’s important to recognise that it is in its early stages.

“The Kyren project is early evidence that the tram extension announcement is instilling confidence in the city and I am confident that there will be more development in this area to follow,” he said.

“Expanding the city tram network and enhancing the North Terrace streetscape has the potential to attract investment, encourage residential and commercial development and boost the visitor economy.

“With the hospital moving to the West End of the city shortly, this development will help to offset any possible loss of activity and economic benefits to the East End by bringing a new population to this end of town, day and night.”
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#95 Post by slenderman » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:24 pm

Here she is at 140m. I agree with Algernon and I highly doubt it's 140m. This is just a shitty five minute job in SketchUp so it's nowhere near accurate, but the proportions don't seem right. Seems a bit long and thin.
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#96 Post by crawf » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:35 pm

Nice work slender

Even at 100-120m, this is going to stand out very prominently.

I have to say looking at the larger render, this doesn't look like a typical glass box. There is definitely some curving of the glass and the structure looks like it gets wider as it reaches the top. The podium needs some serious work.

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#97 Post by Cranjer » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:13 am

slenderman wrote:Here she is at 140m. I agree with Algernon and I highly doubt it's 140m. This is just a shitty five minute job in SketchUp so it's nowhere near accurate, but the proportions don't seem right. Seems a bit long and thin.
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Thanks mate. It does seem all on its own out there, but I guess the Flinders / Pirie St projects will help with balance if they all go ahead.

Agree with most that it's not perfect, but it's not an offensive looking tower. Think it will bode quite well with the general population in Adelaide - meaning it will probably get built. Kyren seem to have a fairly successful formula going on.

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#98 Post by timtam20292 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:36 am

I really like the tower.

The podium looks ok but they can certainly do better. Where exactly is the student accommodation building? Is it behind the tower or is that an existing building?

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#99 Post by Algernon » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:42 am

crawf wrote: Lord Mayor Martin Haese is excited by the project but says it’s important to recognise that it is in its early stages.

“The Kyren project is early evidence that the tram extension announcement is instilling confidence in the city and I am confident that there will be more development in this area to follow,” he said.
The DA was submitted 2 weeks before the tram extension was announced. Some confidence. :hilarious:

I think it will be approved. The RAH site is being flogged off, the right people will be informed a big development like this will pump up the value.

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#100 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:53 am

Jee guys, what's with all the harsh criticism? I like it. It's not bad at all.
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#101 Post by Wayno » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:17 am

Tower looks ok. Podium is meh. The degree of street level activation will make or break it. Hope the DAC truly appreciates that aspect...
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.

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#102 Post by phenom » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:47 am

Tower looks good but would like to see the western side - as long as it's not 100% concrete I think it's fine. The smaller building (from what can be seen) not so much.

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#103 Post by floplo » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:35 am

The tower looks very much like the West Franklin project, I guess the architects just kept to their style...

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#104 Post by mshagg » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:28 pm

I like the height for the location, could be a real anchor for the inevitable eastwards drift of the CBD core.

Did we settle on a position whether the frome st car park is being retained or not?

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#105 Post by phenom » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:39 pm

mshagg wrote:Did we settle on a position whether the frome st car park is being retained or not?
Nathan posted a floor plan thing from indaily that showed the car park staying, sandwiched inbetween the two towers.

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