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[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:20 am
by rev
Nort wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:26 am
rev wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:25 am
I still think that that along with China Town, there should be a Little Italy, a Greek Town, Thai & Indian areas..all fronting onto Gouger street. Then within the complex it self have other lesser represented ethnic cuisines.
Like a giant global foods market. Is there anywhere in Australia with a huge complex like that?
Move everything there that doesn't fit into those categories into a new second level above Coles between Gouger and Grote.

Adelaide needs to stop being afraid of expansion.
Totally disagree. Those types of areas typically grow organically and have history. Intentionally segregating out restaurants by nation is tacky, like turning the area into a shopping center food court.
Toursits don't give a shit about that.
Shopping center food courts aren't laid out like that.
I suppose the entry to Chinatown shipped over from China and the usual SA cringeworthy media coverage of it was organic.

The fact is Gouger street is a shadow of it's former self, the Central Markets are crap. The main cuisines/restaurants we have are Chinese, Thai, Indian, Italian and Greek.
Bringing them all together, be it new restaurants or existing ones to that area, in specific sections, would revive that area. It would create something unique that would attract visitors.

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:35 pm
by Nort
rev wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:20 am
Nort wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:26 am
rev wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:25 am
I still think that that along with China Town, there should be a Little Italy, a Greek Town, Thai & Indian areas..all fronting onto Gouger street. Then within the complex it self have other lesser represented ethnic cuisines.
Like a giant global foods market. Is there anywhere in Australia with a huge complex like that?
Move everything there that doesn't fit into those categories into a new second level above Coles between Gouger and Grote.

Adelaide needs to stop being afraid of expansion.
Totally disagree. Those types of areas typically grow organically and have history. Intentionally segregating out restaurants by nation is tacky, like turning the area into a shopping center food court.
Toursits don't give a shit about that.
Shopping center food courts aren't laid out like that.
I suppose the entry to Chinatown shipped over from China and the usual SA cringeworthy media coverage of it was organic.

The fact is Gouger street is a shadow of it's former self, the Central Markets are crap. The main cuisines/restaurants we have are Chinese, Thai, Indian, Italian and Greek.
Bringing them all together, be it new restaurants or existing ones to that area, in specific sections, would revive that area. It would create something unique that would attract visitors.
Go ask a bunch of restaurant owners to move to next to all their competitors in the hope that visitors to the area will rise, while telling others they are relegated to the second level above a supermarket for not being the right type of food, then come back and let us know how many times you got laughed out the door.

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:06 pm
by rev
Probably not as many times as you would trying to run a business.

Its being relegated moving to a new purpose built area? I guess using the shopping center analogy moving to a new food court is being relegated..go figure.

Hell why even have food courts, just have eateries dotted around random spots..you know, otherwise theyll have to compete with other eateries.

Because China/Greek/Korea Towns, Little Italy's all over the world havent succeeded, right.

Anyway, let's leave it at that and let the thread stay on topic.

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:51 am
by Ben
Apparently a developer has been selected. Further information may be released at tonights council meeting.

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:20 pm
by Norman
I hope so! The original plan was supposed to be released in September, and now it's November.

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:42 am
by jimbly
According to ABC Adelaide, more details are being released at the Town Hall at 10:30am today, here's hoping there is some substance to it!

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:13 am
by Edward

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:21 am
by Nathan
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[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:22 am
by Ben
Incredible. It can't come soon enough. That building must be about 130m too

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:22 am
by HiTouch
Looks incredible! :applause:

The only thing I worry about is the lack of a Coles.

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:25 am
by GrowAdelaide
Edward wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:13 am
https://www.cityofadelaide.com.au/devel ... pt-design/

Here it is!
Yes, make that happen asap.

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:27 am
by Stryker
Absolutely love it! Lets just hope it gets the go ahead!! :applause:

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:28 am
by Nort
Looks fantastic.

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:31 am
by Nathan
A few bits of information from the FAQ:
What will be the height of the proposed redevelopment?

The current concept design will be subject to design development during 2020. Currently the redevelopment provides a main tower to Grote Street for hotel and residential use with an anticipated height of 35 storeys (including podium). It is anticipated that the commercial office towers to Gouger Street will have heights in the order of 13 and 16 storeys (including podium).

The site is located within the Capital City Zone and Main Street Policy Area. There is no overall height imposed by the zone or policy area under the Adelaide (City) Development Plan with building heights only being subject to airport operations.

The proposal will be the subject of a development application which will be assessed by the State Commission Assessment Panel.

The development meets Council’s project guiding principles, being respectful to its neighbouring buildings including the Adelaide Central Market. This includes meeting setback requirements to expose the Adelaide Central Market tower and avoiding overshadowing to Gouger Street.
When will construction commence, and what is the construction period?

It is anticipated that construction will commence in 2021 subject to securing all statutory approvals.

The construction period for the City of Adelaide’s returnable works comprising 6,000m2 net lettable area of retail, 260 public car park spaces and basement loading/ servicing is estimated at 24-30 months.

The construction period for the whole development, including the City of Adelaide’s returnable works and tower elements, is estimated at between three and a half to five years subject to the construction approach.

The next steps are the concept design which will be the subject of a detailed design process enabling lodgement of a development application.
And looks like the Coles will be significantly downsized ("A small format supermarket").
What will the future retail offer look like?

The retail within the redeveloped Arcade will offer a unique and exceptional food and wine offer reflecting the best of South Australia, complementary to the Adelaide Central Market. The retail will focus on local and unique traders and produce operating 18 hours a day/ 7 days a week.

The retail mix will include:
  • A showcase of food and wine with the opportunity to value add to produce ie. pre-packaged, ready to eat meals and dining options;
  • Day to day retail services;
  • A small format supermarket;
  • Wine, craft beers and bars supporting a night-time economy;
  • High end dining to accessible/ affordable food and beverage (including restaurants and cafes);
  • Supporting speciality retail ie. homeware, kitchenware, leisure, health and wellbeing.
The retail mix will be further developed during the next stage of the project.

[PRO] Re: Central Market

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:33 am
by Nort
From the FAQ:
What will be the height of the proposed redevelopment?
The current concept design will be subject to design development during 2020. Currently the redevelopment provides a main tower to Grote Street for hotel and residential use with an anticipated height of 35 storeys (including podium). It is anticipated that the commercial office towers to Gouger Street will have heights in the order of 13 and 16 storeys (including podium).

The site is located within the Capital City Zone and Main Street Policy Area. There is no overall height imposed by the zone or policy area under the Adelaide (City) Development Plan with building heights only being subject to airport operations.

The proposal will be the subject of a development application which will be assessed by the State Commission Assessment Panel.

The development meets Council’s project guiding principles, being respectful to its neighbouring buildings including the Adelaide Central Market. This includes meeting setback requirements to expose the Adelaide Central Market tower and avoiding overshadowing to Gouger Street.
If any of the lobbying efforts @cdj has referred to are successful in the next year then I wouldn't be surprised if we see this go higher.