[VIS] New inner-city stadium

[how good is he]

Both sites are great locations but both look too small to fit major stadiums/arenas. Does anyone know/can work out the approx sqm land size available?

[Ho Really]

Both sites are great locations but both look too small to fit major stadiums/arenas. Does anyone know/can work out the approx sqm land size available?

Do an approximation by cutting and pasting on the same scale in Google Maps etc. That will give you an idea of the space available. Always remember to give plenty of room around the venues for access, security and safety reasons.

An 8,000-10,000 seat arena can fit at Memorial Drive no problem. Even better if they close off the street, but I don't see the need for that. Over the railyards an Entertainment centre-style arena/auditorium fits no problems. A rectangular stadium no way. There are better places for that. Besides if they want a hotel/resort, shopping, offices, convention space, medical suites etc., west of Morphett Street Bridge why build a football stadium there?

Cheers

[bits]

Build it on Victoria Park. Leave the northern end of stadium open to give it the Adelaide signature design.
That open end allows the super cars to come in and do a hairpin turn before heading back out.

[Waewick]

Terminal decline ?
In your mind only

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Well terminal could be an exaggeration, we are yet to see that.

But decline is spot on.

South Australia isn't really in decline these days. The economy is fairly stagnant, but only when you compare it to other Australian states which have been performing well above the average for developed countries.


Under Labor things were actually getting done. South Australia was moving ahead.

Wait, what? I would love to see these measures that point to SA doing much more than hanging on. And please don't compare to other developed countries, we are a state within a country that for 20 years has been in decline comparably to our peers by pretty much every measure imaginable.

I get Labour did things you may have likes or have seen, but SA wasn't moving ahead, thats completely laughable.

[Waewick]

Proposed $1.3 billion riverbank complex to host concerts and sports such as soccer, basketball
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... c7ba9c124a

Rival plans for multipurpose, roofed stadiums are vying for State Government backing to house major concerts, soccer, basketball, tennis and other court sports in Adelaide’s Riverbank precinct at a cost of up to $1.3 billion.

The Sunday Mail can reveal a previous plan for a $200 million Memorial Drive upgrade has been expanded under a business case developed for Adelaide Oval’s Stadium Management Authority, to match a separate proposal for the city railyards.

It is understood the tennis centre upgrade plan, which would involve closing War Memorial Drive to through traffic, is being pitched as significantly cheaper than the rival proposal for Adelaide’s railyards, which would cost between $900 million and upwards of $1 billion.

The railyards proposal also involves a multipurpose arena, but south of the River Torrens and west of the Morphett St bridge, with various configurations for concerts, conventions, events, tennis, basketball and soccer – the latter with a retractable grass pitch.

The Sunday Mail has been told this plan includes a major commercial precinct, likely to include a hotel, medical research centres, outlet shops and short-stay accommodation servicing the nearby Royal Adelaide Hospital and SAHMRI.

The plan is backed by the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation (AVMC), which operates the Adelaide Convention Centre, Entertainment Centre and Coopers (Hindmarsh) Stadium. Costs of both proposals would be defrayed by selling off the latter two.

During the week, Premier Steven Marshall put a multipurpose stadium at the heart of the Government’s agenda for the next two years, detailed at State Parliament’s opening in the Governor’s speech, which said: “My Government is actively planning additional major inner-city and sporting entertainment infrastructure.”

Mr Marshall later told The Advertiser “all options” were on the table but soccer was “definitely a priority for us” and the plan was not “particularly limited to one sport”.

A business case for the Memorial Drive redevelopment is being prepared by consultants Mott MacDonald, which provided detailed design and project management throughout the development and construction of the $535 million Adelaide Oval upgrade.

It is understood to involve a substantial overhaul of the $200 million Memorial Drive upgrade plans for a 10,000-seat arena unveiled in 2016, which did not include soccer or concerts. Various configurations are still being examined.

It is pitched as offering the same facilities as the rival plan for a lower cost and does not involve redeveloping the area west of Montefiore Rd, thus encroaching on North Adelaide Golf Club’s southeastern tip.

The Memorial Drive redevelopment is likely to be contingent on scrapping some Ad­elaide City Council leases, in­cluding with the Next Gen gym. Recreation and Sport Minister Corey Wingard would not comment on either proposal but said a State Sport and Recreation Infrastructure Plan detailing required upgrades to sporting facilities would be released within weeks.

“There’s a focus on big stadiums – there always is – but we’ll also be looking at what options there are for middle-tier and grassroots facilities,” he said.

Adelaide Oval management was approached for comment but there was no response. The SMA’s deputy chairman, former premier and state Liberal Party president John Olsen, in 2018 urged consolidation of tennis, soccer, basketball and the Entertainment Centre in the Memorial Drive precinct.

At the time, he said the cost would be reduced by using the Oval’s security, food, beverage, kitchens and other facilities.

Funding details are still being assessed, by consultants Aurecon, for the rival AVMC proposal, revealed by The Advertiser in 2018. AVMC chairman Bill Spurr, a member of Mr Marshall’s six-person Economic Advisory Council, said: “It’s too early at this stage for us to comment.”

An Opposition spokesman said Mr Marshall had provided few details so it was hard to judge the plans.

“There’s no plan, there’s no artist’s impressions, there’s no cost estimate, there’s no site, there’s not even any detail about which sports this venue will host,” he said.

The competing plans

Adelaide Arena

■ City railyards site, south of River Torrens, west of Morphett St bridge

■ Total cost between $900 million and upwards of $1 billion.

■ Roofed, multipurpose arena housing concerts, conventions, events, tennis, basketball, netball and soccer, the latter with a retractable grass pitch.

■ Redevelopment includes commercial precinct, built-over railyards, likely including hotel, medical research, outlet shops, short-stay accommodation servicing nearby hospital and SAHMRI.

■ Cost defrayed by commercial development, plus sale of Entertainment Centre and Coopers (Hindmarsh) Stadium.

■ Business case being developed by Aurecon for Adelaide Venue Management Corporation, which operates Adelaide Convention Centre, Hindmarsh and Entertainment Centre.

■ Funding being assessed – a possible mix of state and federal funds through extension of the $551 million City Deal, plus State Government debt.

Memorial Drive

■ Advanced plans for upgrading precinct to house same functions as railyards proposal, including soccer, concerts, events.

■ Various configurations being examined – soccer might not be in main arena.

■ Expected to involve permanently closing War Memorial Drive to through traffic between King William and Montefiore roads.

■ Business case being developed by Mott MacDonald for Adelaide Oval Stadium Management Authority.

■ Expansion of previous vision for Memorial Drive, unveiled in 2016, which included a $200 million multipurpose stadium catering for tennis, netball, basketball and other sports in a 10,000 seat arena.

■ Expected to be significantly cheaper than railyards option although details not known. Cost reduced by using security, food, beverage, kitchens and other facilities at Adelaide Oval.

■ Likely to be contingent on modifying Adelaide City Council leases, including with Next Gen Memorial Drive gym but does not involve redeveloping area west of Montefiore Rd, encroaching on North Adelaide Golf Club’s southeastern tip.

These proposals were more than likely put to the Libs before their announcement.

So I find it hilarious that their new big ticket item wasn't even their idea.

[Brucetiki]

Both ideas are flawed.

The Memorial Drive option is too small. I think 12,000-15,000 needs to be the size of any new indoor arena, otherwise we may as well just keep the AEC. Also, it sounds like Memorial Drive is going to rely heavily on Adelaide Oval facilities and staff. This will result in job losses, and issues with scheduling conflicts at Adelaide Oval.

The railyards proposal is just madness, trying to fit in a soccer stadium into an arena. Some US arena's tried this in the 80's and 90's and it failed spectacularly. While portable grass surfaces are doable, you need the space to fit the pitch outside anyway, negating any space savings. The arena and rectangle stadium need to be separate.

Also, don't forget that the AEC has a 2-3000 capacity theatre at the front of the complex, and they've had events in both the arena and theatre on the same day/night on numerous occasions. Any new arena should have a similar set up to enable that flexibility.

A 2-3,000 capacity theatre, 12,000-15,000 capacity arena, and a 30,000 seat rectangle stadium should be what we're looking for. This would essentially be a similar set up to AAMI Park, Rod Laver Arena and Melbourne Park's Show Court 1 (though we'd probably only need something half the capacity of Show Court 1).

[NTRabbit]

Both ideas are flawed.

The Memorial Drive option is too small. I think 12,000-15,000 needs to be the size of any new indoor arena, otherwise we may as well just keep the AEC. Also, it sounds like Memorial Drive is going to rely heavily on Adelaide Oval facilities and staff. This will result in job losses, and issues with scheduling conflicts at Adelaide Oval.

The railyards proposal is just madness, trying to fit in a soccer stadium into an arena. Some US arena's tried this in the 80's and 90's and it failed spectacularly. While portable grass surfaces are doable, you need the space to fit the pitch outside anyway, negating any space savings. The arena and rectangle stadium need to be separate.

Also, don't forget that the AEC has a 2-3000 capacity theatre at the front of the complex, and they've had events in both the arena and theatre on the same day/night on numerous occasions. Any new arena should have a similar set up to enable that flexibility.

A 2-3,000 capacity theatre, 12,000-15,000 capacity arena, and a 30,000 seat rectangle stadium should be what we're looking for. This would essentially be a similar set up to AAMI Park, Rod Laver Arena and Melbourne Park's Show Court 1 (though we'd probably only need something half the capacity of Show Court 1).

- Adelaide Oval where it is, as is, apart from pouring bleach and daylight onto the rotten mess that is the SMA (won't happen sadly)
- A new court sized stadium of 12k or so owned and operated by Tennis SA, where the stands currently are, that can cater for tennis, basketball, netball, etc, relying on Adelaide OVal and the SMA for facilities as little as is humanly possible
- Keep the entertainment centre, it's already privately owned, should have good enough utility to survive as the catchall in that size bracket, and has a nice new tram stop out front as well as its own multistory carpark
- Sell Hindmarsh, build a replacement for rectangular field games somewhere in the CBD in that 30k range; I think it can fit on the railyards handily including access and safety (at the expense of a car park, Helen Mayo Park, and the two rowing clubs) and connect to the riverbank plaza and convenetion centre, maybe the golf course is a financially better option, but either way make sure the Adelaide Oval SMA don't have a single scrap of control over it

[SRW]

I'm not buying into this debate yet because it's a rehash of previous arguments. But a couple people have said the the Adelaide Entertainment Centre is privately owned. It's not. It's run by a public corporation -- the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation, which also runs the Convention Centre and Hindmarsh.

[Patrick_27]

I'm not buying into this debate yet because it's a rehash of previous arguments. But a couple people have said the the Adelaide Entertainment Centre is privately owned. It's not. It's run by a public corporation -- the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation, which also runs the Convention Centre and Hindmarsh.

Thank you, glad someone pointed this out. And to address the comments from NTrabit hating on SMA, whilst I don't agree with their AO Hotel project or the food and beverage pricing, it's unfair to paint them as demons when AVMC are just as bad (if not worse). Their management of Hindmarsh has been appalling, to say the least.

[Brucetiki]

I'm not buying into this debate yet because it's a rehash of previous arguments. But a couple people have said the the Adelaide Entertainment Centre is privately owned. It's not. It's run by a public corporation -- the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation, which also runs the Convention Centre and Hindmarsh.

Thank you, glad someone pointed this out. And to address the comments from NTrabit hating on SMA, whilst I don't agree with their AO Hotel project or the food and beverage pricing, it's unfair to paint them as demons when AVMC are just as bad (if not worse). Their management of Hindmarsh has been appalling, to say the least.

How has AVMC's management of Coopers been appalling?

[rev]

Both ideas are flawed.

The Memorial Drive option is too small. I think 12,000-15,000 needs to be the size of any new indoor arena, otherwise we may as well just keep the AEC. Also, it sounds like Memorial Drive is going to rely heavily on Adelaide Oval facilities and staff. This will result in job losses, and issues with scheduling conflicts at Adelaide Oval.

The main purpose of redeveloping a sporting venue is for sports. Concerts are secondary.

That rendering of a new tennis stadium, what capacity does it have?

Also, don't forget that the AEC has a 2-3000 capacity theatre at the front of the complex, and they've had events in both the arena and theatre on the same day/night on numerous occasions. Any new arena should have a similar set up to enable that flexibility.

And why couldn't the new smaller venue be kept?

A 2-3,000 capacity theatre, 12,000-15,000 capacity arena, and a 30,000 seat rectangle stadium should be what we're looking for. This would essentially be a similar set up to AAMI Park, Rod Laver Arena and Melbourne Park's Show Court 1 (though we'd probably only need something half the capacity of Show Court 1).

30,000 should be a minimum, with easy temporary expansion possible. The rest of the facilities at it should be to FIFA World Cup standard.

[Patrick_27]

I'm not buying into this debate yet because it's a rehash of previous arguments. But a couple people have said the the Adelaide Entertainment Centre is privately owned. It's not. It's run by a public corporation -- the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation, which also runs the Convention Centre and Hindmarsh.

Thank you, glad someone pointed this out. And to address the comments from NTrabit hating on SMA, whilst I don't agree with their AO Hotel project or the food and beverage pricing, it's unfair to paint them as demons when AVMC are just as bad (if not worse). Their management of Hindmarsh has been appalling, to say the least.

How has AVMC's management of Coopers been appalling?

Off the top of my head, booking concerts and staging at the stadium only days before A-League games leaving the pitch below standard. Spending much needed funding on new seating at the stadium (when the previous seats were fine) meanwhile leaving other areas of the stadium without rejuvenation.

[rev]

The venue doesnt really pick tour periods.
They might negotiate on actual an date, but that's within a specific period that a band is touring the country.
They arent going to change the tour or come back later over the a league.

[Nathan]

I still don't buy that Hindmarsh can't be upgraded because of the heritage church. I'm not advocating for demolition of heritage listed buildings in general, but we've revoked and knocked down far more important heritage buildings, for far lesser purposes, many times.

[Nort]

I still don't buy that Hindmarsh can't be upgraded because of the heritage church. I'm not advocating for demolition of heritage listed buildings in general, but we've revoked and knocked down far more important heritage buildings, for far lesser purposes, many times.

Which is why heritage tends to be taken more seriously nowadays.

Also hard to justify when it's quite possible that even if Hindmarsh Stadium was expanded in its current location it is quite possible that there would be calls to move it another 20 years later anyway.