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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#31 Post by floplo » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:26 pm

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A better location for a concert hall then the festival plaza area would be the torrens parade ground.
Demolish it all, build the concert hall and properly landscape and pave the surrounding area.
NO, hands off the Torrens Parade Ground, its an important site thats used on Anzac Day etc.
Honestly, Rev, do you have any sympathy towards this state's heritage or do you see everything as disposable? Torrens Parade Ground has so much history attached to it, it'd be like bulldozing the Adelaide Gaol.
Why ? It's mostly a second rate parking lot for 360 days or so of the year..... much easier to respect the history when you actually see it and that's something a good architect or planer should be able to incorporate into any proposal

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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#32 Post by CDJ » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:30 pm

floplo wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:26 pm
Patrick_27 wrote:
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NO, hands off the Torrens Parade Ground, its an important site thats used on Anzac Day etc.
Honestly, Rev, do you have any sympathy towards this state's heritage or do you see everything as disposable? Torrens Parade Ground has so much history attached to it, it'd be like bulldozing the Adelaide Gaol.
Why ? It's mostly a second rate parking lot for 360 days or so of the year..... much easier to respect the history when you actually see it and that's something a good architect or planer should be able to incorporate into any proposal
Agree with this. It seems hard to justify using parklands for what is 99% of the time an empty carpark. This would be an excellent location for the concert hall. There are many other locations where a parade could be held.

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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#33 Post by SRW » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:43 pm

CDJ wrote:
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Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:18 pm


Honestly, Rev, do you have any sympathy towards this state's heritage or do you see everything as disposable? Torrens Parade Ground has so much history attached to it, it'd be like bulldozing the Adelaide Gaol.
Why ? It's mostly a second rate parking lot for 360 days or so of the year..... much easier to respect the history when you actually see it and that's something a good architect or planer should be able to incorporate into any proposal
Agree with this. It seems hard to justify using parklands for what is 99% of the time an empty carpark. This would be an excellent location for the concert hall. There are many other locations where a parade could be held.
Strongly disagree. Granted, the use of the parade ground as a carpark and sleepy RSL offices is not ideal. But, including the Government House grounds (which should be open to the public), this is the only remaining section of the parklands that connects from river to terrace. That's an incredible legacy of the city plan, and this accessibility to open space should be maintained and enhanced.

There are many options for for improving the parade grounds but none of them should include built form. One option could be grassing over the bituminised area and reshaping the natural slope into an amphitheatre to better stage concerts and events.
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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#34 Post by Patrick_27 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:00 pm

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Strongly disagree. Granted, the use of the parade ground as a carpark and sleepy RSL offices is not ideal. But, including the Government House grounds (which should be open to the public), this is the only remaining section of the parklands that connects from river to terrace. That's an incredible legacy of the city plan, and this accessibility to open space should be maintained and enhanced.

There are many options for for improving the parade grounds but none of them should include built form. One option could be grassing over the bituminised area and reshaping the natural slope into an amphitheatre to better stage concerts and events.
And further to that, what is the obsession with members of this forum and wanting to build on parkland? Seriously, ask yourselves that question. It was never intended to be an abundance of prime real estate for future development, but instead to allow this city to have open spaces which so many cities around the world are not fortunate enough to have. Until the day that sites such as the old Adelaide bus terminal, the old LeCornu site, the carpark behind HMT or any other piece of under utilised land and represents the days of CBD warehousing are gone, bulldozing thing like the Torrens Parade grounds should NEVER be considered. And further to that, regardless of what people might think it represents NOW, the history is in what it stood for. So rather than constantly arguing it no longer serves a purpose and that it should be flattened for this reason make way for some you beaut concert hall, CBD arena or fuck knows what else, why not write to our government and ask why the site is not being utilised for a state-based war memorial?

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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#35 Post by rev » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:46 pm

looks like parkland dont it.jpg

Sure looks like parklands doesn't it?

It's the year 2020, and we have people who want the city to look like it's stuck in a time warp.
The building is as big an eyesore as the bitumen in front of it is as the gardens around it.
The Vietnam War memorial is one of the most underwhelming memorials I've ever seen.

It's the perfect location and great setting for a concert hall, and would tie in well with the Festival Centre. To compensate for the loss of the Vietnam memorial, they could build a new war memorial in the southern half of Vic Square as part of an upgrade. Make it the centre piece of an upgraded public space.

Another option is to redo the whole festival centre, rebuild something that will stand the test of time, and include a concert hall, and bring Elder Park into the 21st century while they're at it. Of course this being South Australia, people will complain about that too. They want something, but they don't.
It's not a timeless piece of architecture, there's nothing unique in a good way about it's shape. It's not the Sydney Opera house. It's just a dated piece from a bygone era.

Meanwhile over in Melbourne they built a new children's hospital on parklands, and then demolished the old one and turned it into a park. Just imagine the controversy something like that would cause in Adelaide. Oh wait, we had this argument here in Adelaide, except the new hospital wasn't built on parklands it was built on a contaminated disused rail yards which people claimed was parklands. Even a similar argument about the obahn tunnel which originally would have resulted in a gain in parklands. :roll:

This has to be the dumbest state in Australia.

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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#36 Post by madelaide » Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:55 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:
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Until the day that sites such as the old Adelaide bus terminal, the old LeCornu site, the carpark behind HMT or any other piece of under utilised land and represents the days of CBD warehousing are gone, bulldozing thing like the Torrens Parade grounds should NEVER be considered.
I absolutely agree. The post office site, the abandoned Mayfield development lot, the carpark next to the remand centre... there is not a shortage of vacant land in the city centre.

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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#37 Post by claybro » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:47 am

madelaide wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:55 pm
[quote=Patrick_27 post_id=190720 time=<a href="tel:1586064628">1586064628</a> user_id=5836]
Until the day that sites such as the old Adelaide bus terminal, the old LeCornu site, the carpark behind HMT or any other piece of under utilised land and represents the days of CBD warehousing are gone, bulldozing thing like the Torrens Parade grounds should NEVER be considered.
I absolutely agree. The post office site, the abandoned Mayfield development lot, the carpark next to the remand centre... there is not a shortage of vacant land in the city centre.
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None of those sites fit the brief for fitting in with a cohesive arts/ cultural precinct. The Torrens Parade Ground are in the perfect spot, and the current bitumen field is not befitting its location. At the very least, any concert hall should be near the river and North Terrace as are all our other cultural attractions.

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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#38 Post by rev » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:15 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:18 pm
Eurostar wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:32 am
rev wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:26 am
A better location for a concert hall then the festival plaza area would be the torrens parade ground.
Demolish it all, build the concert hall and properly landscape and pave the surrounding area.
NO, hands off the Torrens Parade Ground, its an important site thats used on Anzac Day etc.
Honestly, Rev, do you have any sympathy towards this state's heritage or do you see everything as disposable? Torrens Parade Ground has so much history attached to it, it'd be like bulldozing the Adelaide Gaol.
Honestly if I was given carte blanche, Id demolish almost the whole 5000 post code, but thats a discussion for another thread.

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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#39 Post by SRW » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:34 pm

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Any concert hall should be near the river and North Terrace as are all our other cultural attractions.
Exactly. But across the road, amongst the the centre of it all, in an already built upon area.
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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#40 Post by rev » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:09 pm

SRW wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:34 pm
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Any concert hall should be near the river and North Terrace as are all our other cultural attractions.
Exactly. But across the road, amongst the the centre of it all, in an already built upon area.
You don't really believe that the Torrens Parade Ground isn't built upon already?

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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#41 Post by Algernon » Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:15 pm

madelaide wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:55 pm
Patrick_27 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:00 pm
Until the day that sites such as the old Adelaide bus terminal, the old LeCornu site, the carpark behind HMT or any other piece of under utilised land and represents the days of CBD warehousing are gone, bulldozing thing like the Torrens Parade grounds should NEVER be considered.
I absolutely agree. The post office site, the abandoned Mayfield development lot, the carpark next to the remand centre... there is not a shortage of vacant land in the city centre.
Just me, or does it really hit the guts reading these words?

Of all the crap we could have lost, this development was farthest from it. A real loss :(

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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#42 Post by SRW » Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:21 pm

Algernon wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:15 pm
madelaide wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:55 pm
Patrick_27 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:00 pm
Until the day that sites such as the old Adelaide bus terminal, the old LeCornu site, the carpark behind HMT or any other piece of under utilised land and represents the days of CBD warehousing are gone, bulldozing thing like the Torrens Parade grounds should NEVER be considered.
I absolutely agree. The post office site, the abandoned Mayfield development lot, the carpark next to the remand centre... there is not a shortage of vacant land in the city centre.
Just me, or does it really hit the guts reading these words?

Of all the crap we could have lost, this development was farthest from it. A real loss :(
I think it was a real missed opportunity not only in terms of the development itself but the way it would have catalysed further developments of the sort. Remembering that Ergo was being built across the road at the same time, it really would have given some momentum and evidence for successful inner city living.
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Re: [VIS] New Concert Hall

#43 Post by Algernon » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:32 pm

SRW wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:21 pm
Algernon wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:15 pm
madelaide wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:55 pm


I absolutely agree. The post office site, the abandoned Mayfield development lot, the carpark next to the remand centre... there is not a shortage of vacant land in the city centre.
Just me, or does it really hit the guts reading these words?

Of all the crap we could have lost, this development was farthest from it. A real loss :(
I think it was a real missed opportunity not only in terms of the development itself but the way it would have catalysed further developments of the sort. Remembering that Ergo was being built across the road at the same time, it really would have given some momentum and evidence for successful inner city living.
Exactly. 431 KWS was approved for basically that very reason - a catalyst for development on that side of the city. It looked like it was finally starting to happen (25 years late) with Mayfield. Sure there are some one off high rises popping up, but this was a really decisive step. Even worse is that the market went for it so it's a big missed opportunity. Hopefully not a case of once bitten twice shy if ever the site (or surrounds) gets picked up.

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