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Re: CBD Development: General

#616 Post by AtD » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:53 am

http://city-messenger.whereilive.com.au ... recedence/
Council rejects apartments near school

20 Jan 10 @ 11:20am by Emily Charrison

A proposed four-storey apartment complex next door to Gilles Street Primary School has been knocked back because of fears for students’ privacy.

City Council’s Development Assessment Panel refused the 15-unit building, each with private balconies, at this week’s meeting after hearing six deputations against the plan from speakers including the school’s principal Deb O’Neill, parents and nearby residents.

In her submission, Ms O’Neill said the apartments, featuring two ground-floor shops and 36 basement carparks, would compromise her school’s privacy and increase traffic, causing “significant dangers” to pedestrians.

“Our major issue is child safety, we’re concerned with the overlooking aspect of this development,” she told the panel.

But Greg Vincent, on behalf of applicant the South Australian Development Company, said the school was already publicly viewable from Gilles St, and the apartment would provide a “passive level of surveillance” from vandals.

“Most people with balconies are looking at a distance they’re not specifically trying to peer down into someone’s private space,” he said.

Other representors raised concerns about the height and bulk of the apartments, light spillage and noise impacts from the demolition of the existing building, occupied by Gamma Illumination and Rembrandt Tiles.

Panel member and City Cr Anne Moran went against the staff recommendation and moved a motion against the development due to overshadowing, a lack of open space and pedestrian safety.

“We might be becoming a nanny state but I wouldn’t like my children playing in an area like that,” she said.

Cr Stephen Yarwood agreed: “If a child gets hit by a car coming out of that carpark, I’m not going to live with that.”
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Re: CBD Development: General

#617 Post by ChrisRT » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:42 am

Panel member and City Cr Anne Moran went against the staff recommendation and moved a motion against the development due to overshadowing, a lack of open space and pedestrian safety.
Lack of open space? What planet is this woman living on? Are the parklands not open enough for her? What is the point in having the parklands if every development is going to be knocked back due to "lack of open space"?

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#618 Post by Will » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:44 am

ChrisRT wrote:
Panel member and City Cr Anne Moran went against the staff recommendation and moved a motion against the development due to overshadowing, a lack of open space and pedestrian safety.
Lack of open space? What planet is this woman living on? Are the parklands not open enough for her? What is the point in having the parklands if every development is going to be knocked back due to "lack of open space"?
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#619 Post by Will » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:01 pm

From the City Messenger:
Harbo hits out at developers

newsBusiness20 Jan 10 @ 10:30am by Emily Charrison

BUILDING PLEA: Lord Mayor Michael Harbison says local developers are not in a postion to meet the city's housing needs.
Lord Mayor Michael Harbison will try to lure east coast developers to build more city apartments, saying the local industry is not up to the job.

Mr Harbison says local developers are too suburban-focused and do not have the expertise to expand the city’s skyline.

His tough line comes after he earlier lambasted developer Con Makris for a lack of progress in building apartments at the long-vacant LeCornu site, North Adelaide.

“There’s no doubt a demand for city housing - the problem is supply,” Mr Harbison said.

“There’s not much capacity in the multi-level residential development area - there’s only a handful of developers in SA with that capacity. Our housing industry mostly specialises in bricks and sticks.”

The Lord Mayor’s stand has sparked an angry reaction from Adelaide’s development industry, which blames the global financial crisis, tight lending conditions and long waits on development approvals for the city’s stagnant housing stock.

Property Council SA executive director Nathan Paine said it was “very simplistic” to suggest local developers were not capable of meeting demand.

“Recently we’ve seen a number of developments fail or at least put on hold because they haven’t been able to sell enough properties,” Mr Paine said.

“It’s a bit of confusing mixed messages - on the one hand the council lords how much development has been approved, but now we’re getting the message that apparently the industry isn’t doing enough.”

Housing Industry Association executive director Robert Harding said Mr Harbison was “incorrect” and the main issue for developers was securing enough finance to fund large-scale projects.

“Lending criteria has become extremely difficult since the global financial crisis - in some cases the banks are asking for 100 per cent pre-sold,” he said.

Urban Development Institute of Australia SA branch executive director Terry Walsh said getting council approval for major projects was another problem for the industry.

“What we have is difficulty in getting anything approved in some cases over two-storeys,” he said.

“Once builders get certainty that developments will be approved, they will respond to market needs very quickly.”

Mr Harbison said Adelaide’s “very small” housing industry was preventing the City Council from reaching its population target of 25,500 people by 2012.

Figures from the council’s just-released annual report showed the city’s population grew by just 843 people to 19,883 in 2008/09.

To an extent Harbo does have a point. I strongly believe that there is demand for inner city living, however the local industry only provides supply to the higher end of the market. Having studied the stock available in the eastern states, there are apartment complexes built over there for middle-income earners. Such complexes do not exist here in Adelaide, where the only stock available is at the 2 extremes; either 15sqm2 student apartments or luxury apartments for the rich.

I encourage the local industry to come up with complexes for middle income earners. Buildings which do not have pools, saunas, zen-gardens, tai-chi decks or wine storage facilities. Build decent size 2-3 bedroom apartments at a reasonable price!

However part of the blame has also got to be accepted by the ACC. Their strict and antiquated regulations make building anything over 3 levels which does not have a pseudo heritage facade quite difficult. Unless they change their ways, developers accustomed to local councils which do not see tall buildings, high-density and modern architecture as bad things will never come here.

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#620 Post by ChrisRT » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:13 pm

I struggle to see the value in having the ACC. You could just replace them with a computer program and save a lot of money -
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#621 Post by Will » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:52 am

From The Messenger;

Harbo hunts for housing guru

newsCouncil02 Feb 10 @ 12:10pm by Emily Charrison


LORD Mayor Michael Harbison is on the hunt for a development expert whose sole job will be to liaise with the industry and boost the city’s housing stock.

He says the City Council is looking to recruit a specialist staffer to work with developers, explore potential building sites and plough through the “complexities” of development.

Mr Harbison vowed earlier this month to lure East Coast developers to Adelaide, arguing the local industry was too suburban-focused and lacked the expertise to expand the city’s skyline.

He said the new staffer would work with all developers, both local and interstate, to help the council reach its population target of 25,500 people by 2012.

“We’re keen to talk to anyone who can help us reach our targets,” he said. “We want to get 1700 people into the city each year and we’re growing at a rate of 900 which in my view, is not good enough.

“We need to grow faster if we want to maintain our competitiveness as a viable city.”

Mr Harbison also wanted 1000 new apartments built every year - almost double the current rate of about 550.

Urban Development Institute of Australia SA branch executive director Terry Walsh said he would be “delighted” with a staffer dedicated to work with the industry.

“Our developers are always disappointed when there’s any inference that they’re not capable or willing to build in the city so we’d closely welcome the support of a staff member,” he said.

“Many major developers are keen to do it but getting planning approval for development in the city is fraught with risk in time delays and getting caught up in political turmoil, that it’s simply not worth it.”

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Re: CBD Development: General

#622 Post by Will » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:17 pm

A Labor Riverside?

From the Messenger:
Parties face off over riverbank

newsLocal News02 Mar 10 @ 12:07pm by Chloe Kennedy


AFTER years of talks and false starts, the banks of the Torrens Lake are set for a major overhaul regardless of who wins the State Election.

But with less than three weeks to polling day, Labor was yet to release its complete vision for the riverbank precinct when the City North Messenger went to press.

The state’s Economic Development Board chief Bruce Carter has been working on a secret plan for the area, bounded by King William Rd and the Morphett St, for eight months.

Adelaide MP Jane Lomax-Smith this week refused to be interviewed by the City North Messenger on what she would like to see happen along the banks of the Torrens. Instead, her media adviser Leah Manuel referred voters to the government’s December press release on the proposed $450 million rebuild of Adelaide Oval.

Labor has also promised to build a new city hospital on the railway yards at the corner of North Tce and West Tce, if re-elected.

Adelaide Liberal candidate Rachel Sanderson last week pointed to her party’s plan to build a 50,000-seater, covered sports stadium on the railway yards, and rebuild the Royal Adelaide Hospital on its existing site.

If elected, the Liberals would also set up a Riverside Development Authority to oversee a public/private overhaul of the riverbank precinct, including moving Keswick’s international railway station to the city and building a new riverside hotel and museum.

“I think this (riverbank upgrade) will be instrumental in making SA more attractive, not only to people who live here but to tourists.” Ms Sanderson said. She said the plan would also encourage more people to use the Parklands surrounding the river.

Dr Lomax-Smith was reluctant to share her vision for the riverbank but was quick to attack the Liberal’s plan, saying it would be a “disaster for the Parklands”.

“The Liberals are also yet to reveal whether they’ll be giving away the city’s Parklands to developers or putting a price tag on land that’s priceless,” Dr Lomax-Smith said in an emailed statement. Adelaide Greens candidate Brett Ferris said Adelaide Oval should remain the city’s major sports ground and development of the riverbank should not encroach on any of the Parklands.

Adelaide Family First candidate Laury Bais also wanted all Parklands retained.

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Re: CBD Development: General

#623 Post by Pikey » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:08 pm

Not sure if anyone has noticed, but City Central 1 is getting new ANZ signage.
Walking on over....

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#624 Post by crawf » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:54 pm

While the Torrens Riverbank looks nice and pretty, it gives Adelaide that 'boring country town' image which it needs to shrug off. And as we know its a dead space, so much potential yet its wasted.

So with both political parties planning a revamp of the Torrens, that is a positive step for Adelaide.
If elected, the Liberals would also set up a Riverside Development Authority to oversee a public/private overhaul of the riverbank precinct, including moving Keswick’s international railway station to the city and building a new riverside hotel and museum.
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#625 Post by rogue » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:59 pm

Will wrote:A Labor Riverside?

From the Messenger:
Parties face off over riverbank

newsLocal News02 Mar 10 @ 12:07pm by Chloe Kennedy

...If elected, the Liberals would also set up a Riverside Development Authority to oversee a public/private overhaul of the riverbank precinct, including moving Keswick’s international railway station to the city and building a new riverside hotel and museum....
Since when did we receive trains from abroad?

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#626 Post by Ben » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:19 pm

rogue wrote:
Will wrote:A Labor Riverside?

From the Messenger:
Parties face off over riverbank

newsLocal News02 Mar 10 @ 12:07pm by Chloe Kennedy

...If elected, the Liberals would also set up a Riverside Development Authority to oversee a public/private overhaul of the riverbank precinct, including moving Keswick’s international railway station to the city and building a new riverside hotel and museum....
Since when did we receive trains from abroad?
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#627 Post by Nort » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:40 pm

Will wrote:A Labor Riverside?

From the Messenger:
There was a rumour about this in some guys column in the Sunday Mail a couple of weeks ago as well, seems pretty certain it will be announced before the election.

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Re: CBD Development: General

#628 Post by Nathan » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:00 pm

CMI Toyota on West Tce is mostly finished. Drove past it tonight, and most of the building is full of cars. Only the Northern half of the ground floors is still being fit out.

Amongst the Camrys and Corollas, they also had a full scale model Toyota F1 car. I think someone forgot to tell them the bad news... :oops:

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#629 Post by Mants » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:31 am

If elected, the Liberals would also set up a Riverside Development Authority to oversee a public/private overhaul of the riverbank precinct, including moving Keswick’s international railway station to the city and building a new riverside hotel and museum.
this, in my opinion, is of vital importance. perhaps more important even than duplication of the southern expressway.
i base this on the fact that it will be more conveniant for tourists and locals alike. it's all about changing our image. interstate travellers will be able to step off their train and straight into the heart of north terrace, where they can catch buses, trams, taxis, metropolitan trains to their desired location. north terrace is just a short stroll to our major cultural, restaurant and entertainment precincts as well as the majority of the city's hotels.
it makes perfect sense.

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#630 Post by Norman » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:50 am

Nathan wrote:Amongst the Camrys and Corollas, they also had a full scale model Toyota F1 car. I think someone forgot to tell them the bad news... :oops:
I don't think that's an F1 car, more of a Formula Toyota or A1 car from what I've heard.

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