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Re: #U/C: 20 Hindmarsh Sq - 15 lvl Hotel, 14 lvl Apartments

Postby monotonehell » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:01 pm

cruel_world00 wrote:I'm not trying to be a negative Nelly or put Adelaide out of its league etc, but does anyone else cringe a little when we refer to buildings as towers when they 15 levels etc? Just a thought.

A rough definition of a tower is something that is exceptionally high in proportion to its width and length. Otherwise it's a block. And before someone gets pedantic on the inclusion of the word "exceptionally" it's referring to the proportion not relative to other external measures. A slender building of 15 levels is a tower, as would a building of 4 levels.

An exceptionally tall tower is a ... wait for it ... skyscraper!

For example: 374-400 King William St, not a tower.
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Re: #U/C: 20 Hindmarsh Sq - 15 lvl Hotel, 14 lvl Apartments

Postby skyliner » Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:11 pm

monotonehell wrote:
For example: 374-400 King William St, not a tower.


But IS high rise - 40m approx def'n level - about 10 - 12 floors, according to floorplate gap. (this def'n via Culwalla on SSC)

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Re: #U/C: 20 Hindmarsh Sq - 15 lvl Hotel, 14 lvl Apartments

Postby Joely » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:36 pm

cruel_world00 wrote:I'm not trying to be a negative Nelly or put Adelaide out of its league etc, but does anyone else cringe a little when we refer to buildings as towers when they 15 levels etc? Just a thought.


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The Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel in L.A is a 12 story building and is always referred to as a tower, so I think it would be appropriate to class these buildings as towers also. It would be silly to call them skyscrapers though, as obviously they aren't.
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Re: #U/C: 20 Hindmarsh Sq - 15 lvl Hotel, 14 lvl Apartments

Postby monotonehell » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:22 pm

Joely wrote:The Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel in L.A is a 12 story building and is always referred to as a tower, so I think it would be appropriate to class these buildings as towers also. It would be silly to call them skyscrapers though, as obviously they aren't.

Skyscraper is a relative term and refers to a building's height relative to the average height of its neighbours. So a 12 floor tower who lives in a city with mostly 3 floor buildings is a skyscraper. But if in the future the majority of its neighbours are developed into 100metre towers it loses its skyscraper status.

When the Roosevelt was built it was a skyscraper.
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Re: #U/C: 20 Hindmarsh Sq - 15 lvl Hotel, 14 lvl Apartments

Postby Joely » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:40 pm

Thanks for clearing that up mono 8)
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Re: #U/C: 20 Hindmarsh Sq - 15 lvl Hotel, 14 lvl Apartments

Postby anti12 » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:38 pm

When will a crane be installed on this site.....?? Going by how long it took for a crane to go up at Aurora I would say it's a fair way off.

Early next year ?
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Re: #U/C: 20 Hindmarsh Sq - 15 lvl Hotel, 14 lvl Apartments

Postby teflon fox » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:07 pm

anti12 wrote:When will a crane be installed on this site.....?? Going by how long it took for a crane to go up at Aurora I would say it's a fair way off.

Early next year ?



Don't think it will be too far away at all. This project has moved along quite swiftly from the first
release of the sale to the demolition and subsequent pre-construction. Remember these apartments
only went on sale in November last year. Contrast this with Spire etc where we are still waiting
after 4-5 years from the initial proposal :roll:
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Re: #U/C: 20HS | 53/49m | 15/14lvls | Hotel/Residential

Postby Howie » Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:07 pm

Picture courtesy of James Hines again.. thanks mate.

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Re: #U/C: 20HS | 53/49m | 15/14lvls | Hotel/Residential

Postby Shuz » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:02 pm

What a wierd photo, the hills look like the sea, and I've never see the RAH look so terrible. Oh and I've always wondered how that KevevaJules thing got there on the blank wall adjacent the site?

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Re: #U/C: 20HS | 53/49m | 15/14lvls | Hotel/Residential

Postby Howie » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:36 pm

Another shot from James :)

20 Hindmarsh Square progressing well with piling works underway and bulk excavation about to commence.


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Re: #U/C: 20HS | 53/49m | 15/14lvls | Hotel/Residential

Postby Ben » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:39 pm

Thanks Howie and James. Do we know when the cranes are going up yet?
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Re: #U/C: 20HS | 53/49m | 15/14lvls | Hotel/Residential

Postby Howie » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:08 pm

Ben wrote:Thanks Howie and James. Do we know when the cranes are going up yet?



James has told me the apartment tower crane will be around Oct/Nov, and the hotel tower crane around Nov/Dec.
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Re: #U/C: 20HS | 53/49m | 15/14lvls | Hotel/Residential

Postby talrok » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:23 pm

how nice is the view of Adelaide from the last pic .. once Conservatory and Aurora up would be a nice view to wake up to in the morning. Good impression for tourists in the hotel. That's why I like the red building .. mixed with all the others it adds diversity and colour. Pity, the lawns in the square will be brown in summer .. ahh well, can't win them all.

Great updates!
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Re: #U/C: 20HS | 53/49m | 15/14lvls | Hotel/Residential

Postby UrbanSG » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:56 pm

Well they won't be brown in summer once the Glenelg to Adelaide wastewater recycling pipeline is complete and up and running by early 2010. All the squares and Adelaide parklands are meant to be constantly irrigated as a result. It would be great to see the squares and parklands that bright green you get with warm weather and water during summer. Adelaide will look amazing surrounded by truely green parklands in summer if the irrigation occurs as planned by 2010. Sure would make a nice change from the dusty scrub appearance that usually develops in summer.

I agree this view will look amazing in a year or two.
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Re: #U/C: 20HS | 53/49m | 15/14lvls | Hotel/Residential

Postby teflon fox » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:10 pm

UrbanSG wrote:Well they won't be brown in summer once the Glenelg to Adelaide wastewater recycling pipeline is complete and up and running by early 2010. All the squares and Adelaide parklands are meant to be constantly irrigated as a result. It would be great to see the squares and parklands that bright green you get with warm weather and water during summer. Adelaide will look amazing surrounded by truely green parklands in summer if the irrigation occurs as planned by 2010. Sure would make a nice change from the dusty scrub appearance that usually develops in summer.

I agree this view will look amazing in a year or two.



I truly hope the pipeline comes to fruition. Last summer the Squares loked brown and barren much of the time
and without some of the fountains operating it really didn't kook good . We need these to look inviting, not
only for us, but the many visitors to our city - especially around the Fringe and Clipsal 500 times. Along
with the re-filling of Rymil Lake these areas will be very appealing
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