[ City Central ] Masterplan Thread

All high-rise, low-rise and street developments in the Adelaide and North Adelaide areas.
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#46 Post by omada » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:39 am

Just went on to the Woods Bagot website.. found this render of city central, can't quite see from what angle this one is, is this along King William Street?
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On an unrelated note, on the development register on ACC website, I came across this (the development applicant also Woods Bagot) :
"121-129 King William Street, ADELAIDE SA 5000
Description: Vary previous authorisation to carry out alterations and additions to upgrade the existing building to form a 12-level building with 2 levels of basement carparking, retail shops at ground level and offices on upper levels - changes to tower 2 - Stage 4 - architectural & services works"

Can someone tell me what development this one is?

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#47 Post by Ben » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:42 am

That render is of ANZ (already complete) While the application to the ACC is of CC2 (Already under construction on former Advertiser site).

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#48 Post by Will » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:44 pm

Pants wrote:
High-rise by Brisbane standards is 200m+, not the 100m Adelaide's lucky to get, so even if there are more proposals and approvals (which I find hard to believe - emporis isn't always accurate), in terms of floor space and market-confidence, Brisbane is about as prolific as anywhere in Australia at the moment.

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I can't comment on the Birsbane site on Emporis, but the Adelaide site is extremely accurate.

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#49 Post by Pants » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:39 pm

Sorry mate, I should have qualified that - you do a great job over there.

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#50 Post by skyliner » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:45 pm

Pants - as a fellow Brisbanite, (but still South Aussie to the core) I often see what is happening there. With reference to Emporis site being used for my info on Adelaide and Brisbane in my last post, I assumed that their parameters for their definintion of high rise, proposed and approved were consistent across Australia - recognising of course that 'high rise' varies 40m upwards. Printed the info due to the surprise I got with their stats. It was'nt all that long ago when Adelaide would have almost nothing in comparison.

As a geography/urban studies teacher experience has shown me that stats can say almost anything you want. Whatever you see on that site at present, it sure looks good for Adelaide now.
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#51 Post by skyliner » Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:19 pm

Back again.

In addition to me comparing the Adelaide Brisbane building industry (ie. Adelaide has more proposed and approved projects according to Emporis) -

Allow me to say that Brisbane's future is now inextricably tied into it's water supply (now 17% with water recycling projects far behind schedule - straight from a civil engineer who is working on this).. Adelaide I understand has 62% reserves. Brisbane expects level six come in August. 17 months supply left. Usually all this is the opposite way around.

FEWER people are coming than once before. It reached 1500 per week, it has slowed to 1250 - still huge. It is getting around concerning the water, infrastructure and health issues.Politicians are suggesting for people NOT to come to QLD. This will slow growth. People are leaving to go NSW. Imo Brisbane will never catch up with Melbourne.

The city central project, coupled with the others now being constructed and the research done by many others on this site speaks well of Adelaide - rising like a phoenix and coming of age - quite sensational one might say!

I look forward to travelling the entire Adelaide CBD by foot next time I'm there. Have been mapping all the info posted by all of you contributors to this site and have it up in my staffroom for others to see.


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#52 Post by omada » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:06 am

It's funny though Skyliner, it sounds like ALOT is happening, unfortunately not all at once.. so don't expect Adelaide to resemble Dubai when you get here :)

Or maybe I don't really notice it, as I see the place everyday...

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#53 Post by Howie » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:11 am

skyliner wrote: I look forward to travelling the entire Adelaide CBD by foot next time I'm there. Have been mapping all the info posted by all of you contributors to this site and have it up in my staffroom for others to see.
Would love to see the staff room map mate! Got a pic?

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#54 Post by AG » Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:16 pm

Slightly off-topic, but there isn't really anywhere else to put this article.
Buildings for the future
Developers are realising that environmentally sustainable designs can bring significant financial benefits
13 July 2007
South China Morning Post

The movement towards "green" architecture is becoming mainstream in the wake of global warming and growing pollution concerns.

Globally, the change is being driven more by economic pragmatism than a new-found social conscience: developers are waking up to the fact that environmentally sustainable designs can bring significant financial benefits, such as higher rents and prices and lower operating costs.

Hong Kong has not been at the forefront of this environmental change of heart. But the tide is turning, according to Sandy Edge, senior associate and director of architectural projects for Woods Bagot Asia, a global studio at the forefront of green design.

"Although not as well established in Hong Kong and China, the green building trend is catching on fast," Mr Edge said.

"Developers who do not sell their buildings but continue to own and operate them have been the first to embrace the change as the operating cost savings go directly into their pockets.

"Traditional developers, however, are also starting to realise that green building features are not expensive, are fantastic tools for PR and marketing, and can help to maximise profit."

The spur, especially for Hong Kong's priciest grade-A property, is global tenants who perceive corporate social responsibility as a key element of doing business.

"For these companies, green building design is a mainstream part of their work practice, spurred by the recent public awareness on climate change and energy use which has made green design a hot topic globally," Mr Edge said.

"Over the past few years, green design has moved from being a concept into a reality. Many companies now demand green office space for their workplaces.

"In many countries green design for cities and buildings is already the norm rather than the exception, driven by public aspirations or government legislation."

Developers are being encouraged by the prospect of lower energy costs, translating into substantial operational savings and premium values.

"A great example of this is our recent Adelaide City Central office development in Australia, where green features enabled a lower floor-to-floor height which allowed the developer to realise two additional floors of office space.

"The building sold off-plan at prices higher than market value. This is the future potential of green building development."

Woods Bagot is a leader in green building design and has gone "carbon neutral". The firm even undertakes environmental sustainable design reviews on local projects "whether clients request it or not".

Mr Edge said: "Many sustainable solutions do not cost more than traditional methods and are easy to incorporate if you have the know-how."

These more low-tech solutions can range from correct siting of buildings and "passive solar design" to sustainable material selection. But as the key to green design inevitably involved balancing economic considerations, he said: "More hi-tech solutions such as solar power do not have an investment payback period that promotes their use at this point. This partly created the early misunderstanding that green design is expensive."

Every architectural practice in Hong Kong is embracing the trend.

Ove Arup & Partners Hong Kong chairman Andrew Chan Ka-ching said: "It is a subject very close to my heart."

Ove Arup developed a "hi-tech" airflow system resulting in lower operation costs at the Sunny Bay MTR station gateway to Hong Kong Disneyland which earned the principal contractor, international practice Aedas, an environmental award from the Hong Kong Institute of Architects. Sustainable design elements include a self-cleaning canopy encouraging natural air flow that reduces energy consumption by up to 30 per cent.

Green issues are even extending to construction projects.

Developer Swire Properties has recycled all but 1 per cent of waste at its new HK$2 billion One Island East flagship in Quarry Bay.

Senior project manager for Swire Properties, Kenneth Ng, said recycling 99 per cent of waste concrete, brick and steel saved from HK$1.6 million to HK$7.6 million under the government's new waste charges scheme, which was introduced last year charging HK$27 to HK$125 a tonne.

The only drawback to Hong Kong's "green design" revolution is expertise.

Mr Edge said: "Career prospects are fantastic in this sector as there is a definite lack of architects and engineers in Asia with knowledge of green design.

"As China has recently taken over from the United States as the main emitter of carbon dioxide, a main cause of climate change, the Chinese government is aware of this issue and is moving quickly to embrace green design for all of the main projects.

"It is a great opportunity for Hong Kong companies to lead the way to create more sustainable cities and buildings for our future and that of our children."

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#55 Post by skyliner » Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:28 pm

Howie - you wrote on 30/7/07 that you'd love a pic of the Adelaide develpment map I made from our staffrooom here in Brisbane - has 'disappeared' - could have been removed by someone.

Will try to do another map and update it to 15/8/07 (inclusive of all proposals, approvals and constructions for the last year). Will take time and won't be as accurate at what you could do as I'm operating on my first hand 1986 geographical knowledge of the city - thus impared somewhat. The hardest area to do is the City central area.

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#56 Post by Howie » Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:37 pm

Ah that's a shame, no worries then mate :)

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#57 Post by UrbanSG » Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:48 pm

In regards to the CC6 office tower it is now actually CC8. This whole site sure is confusing as it is constantly changing. At this stage the original approx 15,000m2 proposal is being changed to approximately 30,000m2, similar size to CC1. The amended plan is likely to be submitted in the not to distant future. I can't say anything else or reveal the source. The 31 floor talk doesn't sound as likely now.

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#58 Post by Ho Really » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:45 am

UrbanSG wrote:In regards to the CC6 office tower it is now actually CC8. This whole site sure is confusing as it is constantly changing. At this stage the original approx 15,000m2 proposal is being changed to approximately 30,000m2, similar size to CC1. The amended plan is likely to be submitted in the not to distant future. I can't say anything else or reveal the source. The 31 floor talk doesn't sound as likely now.
What's your gut feeling, 21 or 24-storeys (approx. 100m)?

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#59 Post by Ben » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:59 am

Remember Westpac is also about 30,000 sqm so it depends on the floor plate size.

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#60 Post by Ho Really » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:04 am

beamer85 wrote:Remember Westpac is also about 30,000 sqm so it depends on the floor plate size.
True. As I am confused with all these title changes which plot is it and what's its size?

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