[U/C] M2 North-South Motorway

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[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#4426 Post by SBD » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:27 pm

kymbosa wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:03 am
marbles wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:40 am
ralmin wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:00 am
even the jams congdon - south road intersection, allowing london road to slip in is a joke

its soon to be a freeway not a road anymore, stopping the freeway traffic for these piddlee streets is costing travel time
Yes to James / South Road - that whole road is one of the most pointless road plans in this state. It’s quicker to north to Bradman, up Bradman and then turn on to the Mile End road than take that road perviously mentioned.

And your second point... haha it’s not likely to happen for decades. No money in the infrastructure money cash spend announced by Marshal for that road. The Libs don’t want to touch big projects, they are looking at cheap and cheerful and not at the big one!
I thought it was that Liberal thought a big tunnel boring machine looks like fun, and they are waiting to find out how expensive it will be, instead of getting on with the Labor plan to do some short cut-and-cover tunnels, then an elevated road like the Superway. Unfortunately, Labor dropped the ball before the election by allowing the opportunity to review the plan, instead of having gone out to tender when their own plan said they should.

Both sides of politics seem to be in the way of just getting on with it, for different reasons. :wallbash:

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#4427 Post by dbl96 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:09 pm

ralmin wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:00 am
Cars waiting to turn right at ridiculously small intersections is the bane of my driving life. On major roads like Unley Road, many cars park in the left lane, while others block the right lane while waiting to make right turns at every little cross street, making it very hard for through traffic to proceed along the road. Ideally, right turns would be restricted to larger cross streets where there is a dedicated right turning bay.
You raise another major traffic issue in Adelaide: the sanctity of car parks.

What other city Adelaide's size would allow cars to be parked in traffic lanes along major roads? Unley Road is terrible for this, but it is a widespread problem across Adelaide.

Despite the fact that it often significantly worsens traffic congestion, no-one is prepared to tackle the issue of parking on major roads, because of completely irrational and disproportionate trader backlash. Businesses believe, very vocally, that if people are not allowed to park right outside their door, then their business will collapse. This is, of course, completely absurd. Nobody goes to a major shopping strip with the expectation that they will be able to park outside the exact shop that they want to visit. Those parks are normally full anyway. It would really not be much of an imposition on businesses and their customers to request customers to park in nearby sidestreets. If anything, clearways along major roads could improve business there, because by removing parked cars from next to the shopfronts, the businesses's visibility from the road would be substantially enhanced.

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#4428 Post by OlympusAnt » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:37 pm

Unley Rd and Glen Osmond Rd both need to be 24/7 no parking zones
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#4429 Post by how good is he » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:14 pm

The council could also help by buying land for off road car parks and/or have more land management agreements to amalgamate carparks behind shops. For example to allow easier entry/exit points from the side streets. KW Rd Hyde Park has a few examples of these (like behind Cibo etc).

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#4430 Post by Nowlistencarefully » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:11 pm

dbl96 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:09 pm
ralmin wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:00 am
Cars waiting to turn right at ridiculously small intersections is the bane of my driving life. On major roads like Unley Road, many cars park in the left lane, while others block the right lane while waiting to make right turns at every little cross street, making it very hard for through traffic to proceed along the road. Ideally, right turns would be restricted to larger cross streets where there is a dedicated right turning bay.
You raise another major traffic issue in Adelaide: the sanctity of car parks.

What other city Adelaide's size would allow cars to be parked in traffic lanes along major roads? Unley Road is terrible for this, but it is a widespread problem across Adelaide.

Despite the fact that it often significantly worsens traffic congestion, no-one is prepared to tackle the issue of parking on major roads, because of completely irrational and disproportionate trader backlash. Businesses believe, very vocally, that if people are not allowed to park right outside their door, then their business will collapse. This is, of course, completely absurd. Nobody goes to a major shopping strip with the expectation that they will be able to park outside the exact shop that they want to visit. Those parks are normally full anyway. It would really not be much of an imposition on businesses and their customers to request customers to park in nearby sidestreets. If anything, clearways along major roads could improve business there, because by removing parked cars from next to the shopfronts, the businesses's visibility from the road would be substantially enhanced.
Main North Rd between Nottage Tce and Robe Tce heading to city?!! Parking spaces for car yards. Some of then empty

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#4431 Post by rev » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:35 am

SBD wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:27 pm
I thought it was that Liberal thought a big tunnel boring machine looks like fun, and they are waiting to find out how expensive it will be, instead of getting on with the Labor plan to do some short cut-and-cover tunnels, then an elevated road like the Superway. Unfortunately, Labor dropped the ball before the election by allowing the opportunity to review the plan, instead of having gone out to tender when their own plan said they should.

Both sides of politics seem to be in the way of just getting on with it, for different reasons. :wallbash:
Even if contracts had been awarded, the new Liberal government could have cancelled them. It would have cost the state in penalties.

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#4432 Post by aceman » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:26 am

I think it's obvious that both sides of government have basically shelved the remaining section due to cost. it's all talk nothing else, labor had a plan but never went through with it and the libs are sticking with their 'we're exploring the option of a full blown tunnel' in the meantime the section between tonsley and the river torrens will grind to a standstill not just at peak times but even on Sunday arvos.

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#4433 Post by A-Town » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:31 pm

dbl96 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:09 pm
ralmin wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:00 am
Cars waiting to turn right at ridiculously small intersections is the bane of my driving life. On major roads like Unley Road, many cars park in the left lane, while others block the right lane while waiting to make right turns at every little cross street, making it very hard for through traffic to proceed along the road. Ideally, right turns would be restricted to larger cross streets where there is a dedicated right turning bay.
You raise another major traffic issue in Adelaide: the sanctity of car parks.

What other city Adelaide's size would allow cars to be parked in traffic lanes along major roads? Unley Road is terrible for this, but it is a widespread problem across Adelaide.

Despite the fact that it often significantly worsens traffic congestion, no-one is prepared to tackle the issue of parking on major roads, because of completely irrational and disproportionate trader backlash. Businesses believe, very vocally, that if people are not allowed to park right outside their door, then their business will collapse. This is, of course, completely absurd. Nobody goes to a major shopping strip with the expectation that they will be able to park outside the exact shop that they want to visit. Those parks are normally full anyway. It would really not be much of an imposition on businesses and their customers to request customers to park in nearby sidestreets. If anything, clearways along major roads could improve business there, because by removing parked cars from next to the shopfronts, the businesses's visibility from the road would be substantially enhanced.
Stop talking too much sense.

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#4434 Post by Saltwater » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:16 pm

Major thoroughfare clearways, similar to the question of extended Sunday trading hours, are an issue that has been worked through in cities all over the world, including our own Sydney and Melbourne, yet perpetually remain in the “too hard” basket in Adelaide.

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#4435 Post by bits » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:14 am

All the roads in question have clearway during peak hours.
The roads have no issue during the day with the lanes that remain open.

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#4436 Post by Simmos083 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:48 am

I would love to see no traffic lights around the ANZAC Highway and Donald Bradman Drive. Imagine what could be possible here ? Get ANZAC Highway moving !!!

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#4437 Post by Norman » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:40 pm

Here is the current state of the North-South corridor, compressed into a 11 minute video.

As always, feedback is welcomed!

https://youtu.be/1WVjokln1Eo

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#4438 Post by rhino » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:33 pm

Simmos083 wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:48 am
I would love to see no traffic lights around the ANZAC Highway and Donald Bradman Drive. Imagine what could be possible here ? Get ANZAC Highway moving !!!
There are no traffic lights at this intersection, as Anzac Highway and sir Donald Bradman Drive do not meet each other.
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#4439 Post by Llessur2002 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:39 pm

Norman wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:40 pm
As always, feedback is welcomed!
Keep left unless overtaking :wink:

But seriously, lane discipline in this video is shocking - I'd wager that the same video taken in any European country would be entirely different. Hopefully when the N-S motorway is completed the government of the day will invest a few bucks into a good old fashioned public information campaign on how to use the bloody thing...

Cheers for the great video though :) Did you have a reason for the journey, or just 'because'?

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#4440 Post by NYG » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:50 pm

Norman wrote:Here is the current state of the North-South corridor, compressed into a 11 minute video.

As always, feedback is welcomed!

https://youtu.be/1WVjokln1Eo
Surprised the entire stretch South to North took only 66 minutes. Nice work on the vid Image

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