[U/C] M2 North-South Motorway

[Pistol]

Was reading about the Pym to Regency upgrade and found some interesting info -

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/ns ... pym_street says:

The concept design includes:

Left in and left out only access at Pym Street

whereas http://investment.infrastructure.gov.au ... 41-17SA-NP says:

The project also includes:

Grade separation of Pym Street under the motorway

(The Federal site says Project details last updated: 17/09/2018)

Under the motorway??

[SBD]

Was reading about the Pym to Regency upgrade and found some interesting info -

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/ns ... pym_street says:

The concept design includes:

Left in and left out only access at Pym Street

whereas http://investment.infrastructure.gov.au ... 41-17SA-NP says:

The project also includes:

Grade separation of Pym Street under the motorway

(The Federal site says Project details last updated: 17/09/2018)

Under the motorway??

The artists impression at the bottom of the state site shows the motorway and "surface roads" are all at grade through Pym Street (and shows only left-in/left-out). It might only require one or two more houses to be acquired to make space to put slip lanes to do left-in, left-out AND straight on underneath (without right turns). That avoids a narrow subway tunnel for cyclists and pedestrians, and a pedestrian/cycle-only bridge that needs maintenance and protection from rock droppers. Perhaps someone has identified it as a potentially cheaper option (or at least worthy of consideration by tenderers).

[Brucetiki]

What really grinds my gears and rattles my Knick knacks is that this road is 60kph and the bottleneck at the Southern end feels like it makes up for all the time supposedly gained. 20 minute bottleneck, kid you not.

I've noticed this week that traffic is considerably worse - 20+ minute bottleneck from the end of T2T to Henley Beach Rd.

Over time and once people work out what routes are best for them, I think it will sort itself out and the delays won't be as bad.

I was listening to a Sydney radio station this morning, and their traffic reports were reporting 8km and 10km delays on some of their roads - as crap as the bottlenecks are here it could be a hell of a lot worse.

[how good is he]

Considering the cost of this project do you think the Govt should have acquired the Urbanstone property [and if needed a few others] to make it 3-lanes for the last 100-200m to the Brickworks?

[Listy]

What really grinds my gears and rattles my Knick knacks is that this road is 60kph and the bottleneck at the Southern end feels like it makes up for all the time supposedly gained. 20 minute bottleneck, kid you not.

I've noticed this week that traffic is considerably worse - 20+ minute bottleneck from the end of T2T to Henley Beach Rd.

The jump in traffic probably has a lot to do with the school term starting this week.

[SBD]

What really grinds my gears and rattles my Knick knacks is that this road is 60kph and the bottleneck at the Southern end feels like it makes up for all the time supposedly gained. 20 minute bottleneck, kid you not.

I've noticed this week that traffic is considerably worse - 20+ minute bottleneck from the end of T2T to Henley Beach Rd.

Over time and once people work out what routes are best for them, I think it will sort itself out and the delays won't be as bad.

I was listening to a Sydney radio station this morning, and their traffic reports were reporting 8km and 10km delays on some of their roads - as crap as the bottlenecks are here it could be a hell of a lot worse.

This week has been the first day back at school after a holiday, then drizzly at the time when people decide how they will go to work/school today. I suspect that there are a lot less walkers, cyclists and bus riders than usual. I don't know if daily statistics are available to check that theory. I live and work in outer suburbs and have noticed heavier traffic and fuller car parks this week, so it's not just the attraction of driving on the new motorway that is making heavier traffic.

[Vasco]

Considering the cost of this project do you think the Govt should have acquired the Urbanstone property [and if needed a few others] to make it 3-lanes for the last 100-200m to the Brickworks?

Regardless of any current bottlenecks, the non acquisition and non inclusion of Urbanstone land in the project, is for me the most perplexing and shortsighted part of the T2T project.

Anyone know any particular mention of this (besides land acquisition cost, which would have been relatively minimal in the grand scheme of the project)?

[SBD]

Considering the cost of this project do you think the Govt should have acquired the Urbanstone property [and if needed a few others] to make it 3-lanes for the last 100-200m to the Brickworks?

Regardless of any current bottlenecks, the non acquisition and non inclusion of Urbanstone land in the project, is for me the most perplexing and shortsighted part of the T2T project.

Anyone know any particular mention of this (besides land acquisition cost, which would have been relatively minimal in the grand scheme of the project)?

"The plan" for crossing the Torrens has not been set yet, so that section would likely need to be reworked as part of the next phase. We got the Torrens Road bridge instead.

[mawsonguy]

Was reading about the Pym to Regency upgrade and found some interesting info -

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/ns ... pym_street says:

The concept design includes:

Left in and left out only access at Pym Street

whereas http://investment.infrastructure.gov.au ... 41-17SA-NP says:

The project also includes:

Grade separation of Pym Street under the motorway

(The Federal site says Project details last updated: 17/09/2018)

Interestingly, the Federal site also says that the project includes "tie-ins to the Torrens Road to River Torrens Project lowered motorway at Lamont Street". That's about 200m past the point where the T2T starts but is about where the trench becomes fully lowered. Read into that what you will.

[baytram366]

The Urbanstone site has always confused me too. I drove past a few weeks ago and it looks like they have also done some further renovations to the building too. You would think that they wouldn't be spending much $$$ on the building knowing its ultimate fate but I guess that could be years off yet.

[how good is he]

I’ve heard rumours in the past that as the site is so big & prominent and supposedly the owner/s live overseas and they wanted/had it valued at $10m + ? I also remember one year it was used before the state election, not sure if it was Labour or Liberal or the purpose?

[Furyan]

Pictures of Darlington Project yesterday

Looking south Flinders Drive Bridge

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[Furyan]

Looking north from Flinders Drive Bridge

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[Furyan]

Flinders Drive intersection

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[Furyan]

Darlington Project Newsletter October 2018

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/__ ... letter.pdf