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phenom wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:34 pm

I think we need some honesty and realism here. I get the vested interests as per this Advertiser article are out in force but let's get real. Tunnels or flyovers still require land acquisition (entries and exits, ventilation shafts, emergency accesses and for raised roads, supports - see the Superway). There's just no way many people anywhere near these won't complain, and especially for the raised roads which will be visible for kilometres around. I'm not saying these should strongly influence the final decision, but politics being what it is, it's always going to be a factor. There's no way to do this which won't inconvenience and annoy quite a few people and that's often the price of 'progress'. Having spent some time working in govt departments, I can only imagine all the weighing up going on of political pressure, cost issues, engineering issues and just plain bureaucratic inefficiency - so I hope we just settle on an approach and stick with it.

muzzamo wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:27 pm

From AdelaideNow:

An elevated roadway should be constructed over South Rd to avoid tunnels and the decade it will take to build them, the Civil Construction Federation says.

As the State Government prepares to release its preferred option to finish the final stages of the North-South Corridor, the federation’s SA boss Phil Sutherland said it should turn its attention to a flyover strategy as used on northern parts of the project.

On Thursday, the first sod was turned for the Regency Rd to Pym St section of the project.

Momentum is building for tunnels to be used for the final two stages, stretching a combined 10.5km, which would complete the state’s most expensive road infrastructure project.

This week, The Advertiser revealed the bid to deliver a non-stop freeway was set to take up to a decade, as the State Government sought to spread out the huge cost of a multibillion-dollar build.

The project is expected to cost more than $6 billion but would cost more if tunnels are used.

A petition has been tabled in State Parliament, signed by more than 700 people, mainly from Adelaide’s western suburbs, calling for a combination of two tunnels, or a single tunnel to be used to complete the project.

The push has been driven by a desire to save homes, businesses and a number of heritage-listed properties, including the Thebarton Theatre, from a wrecking ball.

Mr Sutherland told The Advertiser there was a way to alleviate those concerns, and save time and money, by using an elevated roadway sitting above the final uncompleted section of the project should be considered.

“This approach would significantly reduce the cost of other design options under consideration, including tunnels, avoid the need for contentious property acquisitions, and deliver certainty to businesses along the route frantic about their future livelihoods,” Mr Sutherland said.

“Elevating the final link of the freeway would easily connect the freeway’s current finish point at the River Torrens and run south to the soon to be completed Darlington section.

“This would also allow the existing street level South Rd carriageway to be used as a service road to existing business and suburbs.”

Premier Steven Marshall and Infrastructure Minister Stephan Knoll on Thursday turned the first sod on Regency Rd to Pym St (R2P) section one of the North-South Corridor.

Mr Knoll said the North-South Corridor remained the Government’s No. 1 infrastructure priority

“The R2P project is the next piece of this 78km puzzle,” Mr Knoll said.

“Once this project is complete in 2022, motorists will not have to stop at a single traffic light between the River Torrens and Gawler as they head north into our beautiful regions.”

bits wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:08 am

The problem I have with a huge bridge or tunnel is they just keep costing money forever. They are not permanent structures.

Constant checks for cracking and movement.

What is the expected life of the superway? I imagine it will degrade over time to the point that it probably needs to be entirely rebuilt every so often. Billions of dollars every 100 years.

The ongoing costs for a ditch in the ground will be tiny in comparison. In 100 years it will just be getting basic resurfacing.

Saltwater wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:17 am

I live just off south road at Mile End and an elevated roadway is my worst nightmare. I’d obviously prefer to see a tunnel, but even a trench would be preferable to an elevated eyesore through inner Adelaide.

South Road is only two lanes through that section. Any option other than tunnels will require the removal of the entire strip of houses and businesses on or both sides of the road. Some of these houses are 100+ years old, before we even start to consider impacts to the Thebby etc, or my local down at the Hilton Hotel.

700+ people turned up for the south road action group meeting last week. The government should expect many thousands to become vocal very quickly if any elevated roadway is considered through that section.

Spotto wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:30 pm

If the government had started investigating and planning back after they won the election last year we might’ve have some kind of semi-complete plans by now or at the very least a rough outline. Instead it’s all in the too-hard basket.

ozisnowman wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:18 pm

Even though earthquakes are infrequent here, just remember Adelaide lies on or near a fault line would not like to be stuck in a damn tunnel if one hits.

SBD wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:33 am

The original plan had possible elevated structure over the Torrens (but there were other options I think), then short tunnels under Henley Beach Road and Sir Donald Bradman Drive. I think the elevated structure only began south of Anzac Highway to south of Daws Road.