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Agreed. Sure there are some 100 year old buildings, if they are that important move them like has been done with other buildings.rev wrote:Get a grip Adelaide, South Road is not lined by the Pyramid of Giza, Parthenon, Colloseum, Machu Picchu or the Great Wall.
And you know what? If this kind of thinking were present 1,000/2,000 years ago, those aforementioned structures probably wouldn't exist. I'm not saying that a few cottages and a theatre building are on the same scale, but it's your types that will allow the destruction of any historic character this city has left in favour of what you call 'progress', it's a fairly one dimensional way of thinking.Waewick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:45 pmAgreed. Sure there are some 100 year old buildings, if they are that important move them like has been done with other buildings.rev wrote:Get a grip Adelaide, South Road is not lined by the Pyramid of Giza, Parthenon, Colloseum, Machu Picchu or the Great Wall.
Otherwise, get the dozer, it's progress time.
Many more significant and important buildings have been destroyed over thousands of years of humanity, then the insignificant buildings that line South Road.Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:48 pmAnd you know what? If this kind of thinking were present 1,000/2,000 years ago, those aforementioned structures probably wouldn't exist. I'm not saying that a few cottages and a theatre building are on the same scale, but it's your types that will allow the destruction of any historic character this city has left in favour of what you call 'progress', it's a fairly one dimensional way of thinking.Waewick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:45 pmAgreed. Sure there are some 100 year old buildings, if they are that important move them like has been done with other buildings.rev wrote:Get a grip Adelaide, South Road is not lined by the Pyramid of Giza, Parthenon, Colloseum, Machu Picchu or the Great Wall.
Otherwise, get the dozer, it's progress time.
The flow on consequences raise questions about that.rev wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:24 pmMany more significant and important buildings have been destroyed over thousands of years of humanity, then the insignificant buildings that line South Road.Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:48 pmAnd you know what? If this kind of thinking were present 1,000/2,000 years ago, those aforementioned structures probably wouldn't exist. I'm not saying that a few cottages and a theatre building are on the same scale, but it's your types that will allow the destruction of any historic character this city has left in favour of what you call 'progress', it's a fairly one dimensional way of thinking.
Nothing that lines South Road is significant enough in any way shape or form to stop the evolution of South Road in it's entirety into a motorway, something that should have happened half a century ago.
Nor is any of it significant enough to justify the extreme cost of tunnels. Although I'd like to see a tunnel as long as possible built, but that's purely because I think it would be pretty cool to have a proper tunnel in Adelaide to drive through..car guys would understand
The whole justification for the South Road works is to make things better for business, so it's entirely relevant to consider the negative effects of a development as well as the positive.rev wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:07 amStill doesn't justify extreme costs for a tunnel, nor saving it.
If those businesses are relying on one show a week at Thebby to stay afloat, then those owners should either 1) pull their fingers out and build their business presence, or 3) get out of running a business.
The rest of the state shouldnt have to fork out more money so a handful of businesses can stay afloat. Its not the tax payers responsibility or obligation.
Couldn't agree more. Tunnels or not, the motorway needs to be continued with 3 lanes in each direction, especially this section.ozisnowman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:13 amWhat is scary is the artist impression of the lowered road/tunnel showning only 2 lanes in each direction.
Regardless of whether we have Tunnels, Tunnel/Lowered Road Combo or Lowered Road we need to continue the Torrens to Torrens section with 3 lanes in each direction otherwise it will be useless.
Exactly! There would be little point in constructing tunnels to only accommodate 2 lanes of traffic in each direction. For a project of this size, you need to build-in some (even if short-term) future-proofing. Three lanes in each direction plus surface service roads should be the minimum going forward. Anything less than that will be a waste of money.ozisnowman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:13 amWhat is scary is the artist impression of the lowered road/tunnel showning only 2 lanes in each direction.
Regardless of whether we have Tunnels, Tunnel/Lowered Road Combo or Lowered Road we need to continue the Torrens to Torrens section with 3 lanes in each direction otherwise it will be useless.
If we only get 2 lanes each way we may as well just build bridges over each intersection on not just South Road but also on Goodwood, Marion and Brighton/Tapleys roads as well.
Its to improve road transport and efficiency, it's not justified by some small cafes on Henley Beach road.Nort wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:17 amThe whole justification for the South Road works is to make things better for business, so it's entirely relevant to consider the negative effects of a development as well as the positive.rev wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:07 amStill doesn't justify extreme costs for a tunnel, nor saving it.
If those businesses are relying on one show a week at Thebby to stay afloat, then those owners should either 1) pull their fingers out and build their business presence, or 3) get out of running a business.
The rest of the state shouldnt have to fork out more money so a handful of businesses can stay afloat. Its not the tax payers responsibility or obligation.
u purchased based on government policy at a particular point in time?? so if the government decides on an elevated roadway then they need to be accountable to u and others who willingly deciding to purchase property next to a proposed motorway??Saltwater wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:12 amThe main point is that even for an elevated road, the section through Thebarton and Mile End is currently only two lanes each direction, so there is no room to put an elevated road unless entire strips of houses and business on one or both sides of the road are wiped out. By the time compulsory acquisition costs are taken into account, it would be interesting to see the economics of an elevated road vs trench option similar to Croydon, or tunnel options through this section.
While elevated roads around the world are very common, around the world cities are working to remove the eyesores that are largely a legacy of 60's and 70's planning decisions. In Glasgow the freeway cut the city in half, in Sydney's Circular Quay they would love to remove the elevated sections of the Cahill Expressway, Boston had the Big Dig, the list goes on. In Adelaide an elevated roadway through Mile End would scar the views from the city across to the beach, and would also be seen and heard from the western side of the parklands for generations to come, as a constant reminder of short term planning.
Personally living close to South Road at Mile End, I made a decision to buy based on government policy at the time stating "two short tunnels" through this section. If that resulted in some form of trench near where we are I decided we could probably live with that. More recently people will have made purchasing decisions based on a government stance of three options, one involving a trench and the other two through this section involving tunnels. If the government now does an about turn and wants to put an elevated highway through, many thousands of people will be marching through North Terrace on a daily basis.
Calm the farm everyone. There will not be an elevated expressway through Mile End/ Thebarton. The historic public buildings around the HB Rd intersection will Also not be demolished. The only question is, how much will be actual tunnel v open trench, and how long the Libs can drag this out, pretending to be doing something while actually only finishing what has already been started. As for Labor... tick toc guys, it will be election year soon enough, and you had better have a plan finalised for the election, either your quite workable affordable original plan, or something very close to it.aceman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:34 pmu purchased based on government policy at a particular point in time?? so if the government decides on an elevated roadway then they need to be accountable to u and others who willingly deciding to purchase property next to a proposed motorway??Saltwater wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:12 amThe main point is that even for an elevated road, the section through Thebarton and Mile End is currently only two lanes each direction, so there is no room to put an elevated road unless entire strips of houses and business on one or both sides of the road are wiped out. By the time compulsory acquisition costs are taken into account, it would be interesting to see the economics of an elevated road vs trench option similar to Croydon, or tunnel options through this section.
While elevated roads around the world are very common, around the world cities are working to remove the eyesores that are largely a legacy of 60's and 70's planning decisions. In Glasgow the freeway cut the city in half, in Sydney's Circular Quay they would love to remove the elevated sections of the Cahill Expressway, Boston had the Big Dig, the list goes on. In Adelaide an elevated roadway through Mile End would scar the views from the city across to the beach, and would also be seen and heard from the western side of the parklands for generations to come, as a constant reminder of short term planning.
Personally living close to South Road at Mile End, I made a decision to buy based on government policy at the time stating "two short tunnels" through this section. If that resulted in some form of trench near where we are I decided we could probably live with that. More recently people will have made purchasing decisions based on a government stance of three options, one involving a trench and the other two through this section involving tunnels. If the government now does an about turn and wants to put an elevated highway through, many thousands of people will be marching through North Terrace on a daily basis.
if u purchase property next to a proposed motorway that has already commenced then u are at the mercy of whatever option is chosen to get the job done. this could also result in compulsory acquisition. it's par for the course so to speak. a few residents can March through north terrace until the cows come home, it won't change the outcome. nearly 1.5m adelaide residents are far more important than a handful of local residents that don't want an elevated motorway near their house. they'll be quickly moved along and be told not to stand in the way being a hindrance.
i have a sneaky suspicion that this isn't going to end well for some.