PRO: Oaklands Rail Overpass

[jase111]

Just thought I would start a new thread for this project

[AG]

$2m study into Morphett Rd rail under/overpass

Guardian Messenger
Local News

1 Jul 11 @ 10:59am by Kane McKay

THE State Government will this month begin a study into the feasibility of building a rail overpass or underpass at Morphett Rd.

The $2 million study will also look at ways of easing traffic congestion around the Oaklands Park Railway Station, with the findings expected to be available by June 2013.

A spokeswoman for the Transport Department said the study would attempt to determine the impact of recent developments in the area.

“The study will take into account the implications of a number of recent developments, including increased traffic generated by the State Aquatic Centre and redevelopment of the Marion Domain,” the spokeswoman said.

“Other factors include the introduction of a 30-year plan for greater Adelaide, and a planned increase in rail services following the extension of this line to Seaford”.

[notmichaeljfox]

A bit late isn't it? Wouldn't this have been better when they rebuilt the station?

[[Shuz]]

A bit late isn't it? Wouldn't this have been better when they rebuilt the station?

They built the Oaklands rail station with the provision in mind that it wouldn't be affected by any future construction works caused by the construction of an under/overpass adjacent.

Don't worry.

[Wayno]

This would be a good candidate for Fed Govt funding (Infrastructure Australia). Should not be difficult to justify.

[ozisnowman]

They arent going to underground the station so what matter does it have if they build an road overpass or underpass next to it. The rail line will still be at ground level.

[rhino]

I believe they will be elevating the railway and raising the station. Something I heard on the radio yesterday morning.

[[Shuz]]

I believe they will be elevating the railway and raising the station. Something I heard on the radio yesterday morning.

Bullshit.

There is no way that they would have built the Oaklands station, less than 5 years old, to rebuild it again.

Not to mention, they have just resleepered the Noarlunga Line through the station. Again, why all the time and effort, only to rip it up again?

[metro]

doubt they'd demolish the station, most likely it will be a road bridge over the tracks, is the cheapest option and could be built very fast with minimal disruption. Also gives the station an overpass, all they need to add is stairs and lifts.

[jase111]

How about morphett road under the train line.then have diagonal road go over the train line
Leaves the station where it is

[mattblack]

I believe they will be elevating the railway and raising the station. Something I heard on the radio yesterday morning.

Bullshit.

There is no way that they would have built the Oaklands station, less than 5 years old, to rebuild it again.

Not to mention, they have just resleepered the Noarlunga Line through the station. Again, why all the time and effort, only to rip it up again?

Bullshit nothing. Most likely a rail overpass due to cost constraints of underpass and a road overpass is not viable due to access of businesses along Diagonal rd being basically screwed over. They'll rebuild Oaklands (embarassing to say the least - they can reuse the canapy section however and other fittings), the main problem is however that gradient the train needs to negotiate this height and fitting in a new Oaklands station (which needs to be built dead flat and not near the upwards or downwards gradient of the new line) will mean that Warradale station might also taken out.

Other news is that they are looking at a new station in the Castle Plaza area and maybe getting rid of Emerson (pretty speculative though).

[muzzamo]

Building it as an overpass would also bring the station closer to the marion precinct, both logically and physically. Pedestrians would have direct access to the precinct without needing to cross a main road.

[Aidan]

I believe they will be elevating the railway and raising the station. Something I heard on the radio yesterday morning.

Bullshit.

There is no way that they would have built the Oaklands station, less than 5 years old, to rebuild it again.

Not to mention, they have just resleepered the Noarlunga Line through the station. Again, why all the time and effort, only to rip it up again?

Bullshit nothing.

...Buckleys buggerall! That's what they're likely to do there in the next decade. But when they eventually get round to doing something, it will be an underpass.

The new Oaklands station was designed to accommodate an underpass. And if they're sensible they'll stagger the north end so that Morphett Road Northbound traffic will cease to cross Diagonal Road southbound on the flat.

Even so, Brighton Road (Hove) should take priority.

Most likely a rail overpass due to cost constraints of underpass and a road overpass is not viable due to access of businesses along Diagonal rd being basically screwed over.

Those costs are trivial compared with the cost of raising the railway (with station) while it's in operation!

They'll rebuild Oaklands (embarassing to say the least - they can reuse the canapy section however and other fittings), the main problem is however that gradient the train needs to negotiate this height and fitting in a new Oaklands station (which needs to be built dead flat and not near the upwards or downwards gradient of the new line) will mean that Warradale station might also taken out.

I'm guessing this may have started with someone wanting to get rid of Warradale station and thinking raising the line might be a good excuse. But there's no way it would be seriously considered.

Other news is that they are looking at a new station in the Castle Plaza area and maybe getting rid of Emerson (pretty speculative though).

What is the source of your "news"?

[mattblack]

["Aidan"] wote

Even so, Brighton Road (Hove) should take priority.

Why? Its about freeing up a poorly designed arterial road not making a new and shiny station

Those costs are trivial compared with the cost of raising the railway (with station) while it's in operation!

You might want to tell that to the business owners along that stretch. I dont think costs are ever trivial, they are usually the first thing that comes up in any conversation to do about development of any sort.

What is the source of your "news"?

People who might know a thing or two when it comes to developing rail infrastructure. But like I said highly speculative, depends on how quickly residential component of the Castle Plaza developmentis up and going and what densities housing will end up being.

[Aidan]

["Aidan"]
Even so, Brighton Road (Hove) should take priority.

Why? Its about freeing up a poorly designed arterial road not making a new and shiny station

Because the Brighton Road crossing is a bigger bottleneck and would be significantly cheaper to remedy.

Those costs are trivial compared with the cost of raising the railway (with station) while it's in operation!

You might want to tell that to the business owners along that stretch. I dont think costs are ever trivial, they are usually the first thing that comes up in any conversation to do about development of any sort.

I didn't say they were trivial in an absolute sense, I said they were trivial compared with the enormous costs of raising a railway (with station) while keeping it in operation.