If you look out the window of a tram when stoped you will see that there are still plenty of 1929 dates in railsrubberman wrote:
The rail in 1929 was just the old steam train rail turned around so that the old running surface was on the outside - so if any of it exists still, it could be turn of the 20th century stuff. Wow. I think they got rid of most of that in the seventies - but I could be wrong.
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Late Bay trams stop 1km short
December 16, 2007 12:15am
PASSENGERS travelling to Glenelg are being dumped short of their destination as authorities struggle to keep trams running on time.
Rail operator TransAdelaide has admitted it is taking shortcuts and terminating Glenelg-bound services at Brighton Rd as a lack of punctuality continues to plague the tramline, two months after the opening of the $31 million tramline extension to City West.
Commuters are being asked to wait for another tram at Brighton Rd station or walk the remaining kilometre to Moseley Square, where the tram is supposed to terminate.
The unscheduled stop has been blamed on traffic delays in the city and a shortage of trams, which are compounding delays, with trams running up to 10 minutes late.
"If a tram service is running very late, an operational decision is made to terminate Glenelg-bound services at Brighton Road," TransAdelaide general manager Bill Watson said in an emailed statement.
"In all cases another tram is close behind, meaning customers at Moseley Square are not substantially inconvenienced.
"TransAdelaide will also terminate Glenelg-bound services when traffic is so heavy along Jetty Road that it's likely the tram will become substantially delayed in the traffic."
He said TransAdelaide was continuing to monitor patronage since the opening of the City West extension.
Under the present timetable, trams are given on average 38 minutes to travel between City West and Moseley Square.
Glenelg resident Kathryn Davies said that on a number of occasions she had had to alight at Brighton Rd.
She said it was causing confusion for tourists and was a "comedy of errors".
"People should expect to catch a tram to Jetty Rd or Moseley Square," she said. "The trams are never late when they leave from Victoria Square.
"It would appear the timetable doesn't allow enough time for the trams to get through the city. The tram stopping at Brighton Rd does cause confusion for tourists or people who do not regularly use the tram service."
In November, the Rail Tram and Bus Industry Union instructed members to ignore the timetables, saying it was not their responsibility to ensure the timetables and schedules work.
"Your main role is to drive the trams in a safe manner which does not put the safety of passengers, your fellow employees or the public at risk," a union notice posted at the Glengowrie depot said at the time. "If this means the trams cannot run on time then so be it."
At the time, Mr Watson said that automatic signalling, since installed at City West and South Tce, would improve punctuality.
In October, the Sunday Mail revealed that TransAdelaide could not run extra trams because it would create traffic congestion as a result of boom gates along the tramline being constantly raised and lowered.
Union secretary Ashley Waddell said the tram fleet was "stretched".
"The fleet has done a fair bit of work so maintenance has become a priority," he said.
"It (the timetable) is pretty tight between City West and South Tce, and if they start losing time there it compounds throughout the day.
"But I don't think it's causing a great deal of a delay for the passengers because there's a tram not too far behind it – they might have to wait three or four minutes on the platform."
You may be able to use that loop hole to get more services run but that does raise another issue, what rollingstock will you use? During peak periods, all 11 flexis are being used. Even if you did get more Flexis, were would you put them because Glengowrie is stuffed to the rafters with trams.AtD wrote:Is there any reason the boom gates couldn't be replaced with regular traffic lights (with tram priority), and would this solve the problem of no more trams permitted?
LINK TO YOUTUBE PROFILE.I didnt think they meet the standards nowAtD wrote:That still leaves the H's
I imagine the tram overpass could be constructed very quickly compared to the South Road underpass at Anzac Highway. Earthworks required before building the bridge section could be completed without disrupting tram or road traffic, and then the tram line shut down completely for a week or two in order to complete the approaches on each side, followed by the roadway over a single weekend to allow bridge sections to be assembled. This is typically how a lot of the grade separation constructions seem to occur. The Middleborough Road grade separation required building a new cutting for the Belgrave and Lilydale train lines which required both the road and rail line to be shut for an entire month until the road bridge was complete.Wayno wrote:hi all, this is my 1st post. I'm interested in knowing more about the Glenelg Tram line overpass at South Rd. Will it be done? and if so will it be completed in a similar timeframe to the South Rd/ Anzac Hwy underpass? thanks in advance...
So who owns the Tram Overpass? Is it the Goodwood Council? and has the overpass been approved with a definite timeline for development?AG wrote:I imagine the tram overpass could be constructed very quickly compared to the South Road underpass at Anzac Highway. Earthworks required before building the bridge section could be completed without disrupting tram or road traffic, and then the tram line shut down completely for a week or two in order to complete the approaches on each side, followed by the roadway over a single weekend to allow bridge sections to be assembled. This is typically how a lot of the grade separation constructions seem to occur. The Middleborough Road grade separation required building a new cutting for the Belgrave and Lilydale train lines which required both the road and rail line to be shut for an entire month until the road bridge was complete.Wayno wrote:hi all, this is my 1st post. I'm interested in knowing more about the Glenelg Tram line overpass at South Rd. Will it be done? and if so will it be completed in a similar timeframe to the South Rd/ Anzac Hwy underpass? thanks in advance...
These images give a good idea of how a lot of contractors tend to go about grade separation:
http://www.vicsig.net/index.php?page=in ... roject=mrp
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