I've come across a website which has some interesting pictures!
http://www.billdcentral.com/
COM: Glenelg Tramline Upgrade
AtD wrote:Rather than building overpasses on the tram line, spend money on the heavy rail lines, eg overpass for the Park Tce crossing in Salisbury.
How are they going to do the tram stops along King William Street and North Terrace. Assuming they run them down the centre of the road. Are they going to have stops in the middle of the road, thus killing 4 of the 8 lanes of North Terrace and King William St, or will they have passengers making suicide dashes accross three lanes of traffic?
And because no one has posted it here yet:
http://www.yesalbum.com/v001/baytram366 ... 904-14.jpg
Stolen from SSC, where it was stolen from RailPage, where it was stolen from... into infinity.
I think they'll do it like in Melbourne. The tram stops are located at the centre of the road, and they have shelters, and protective railing for the passengers. It works pretty well, and passenger safety is not compromised.
Only the newer tram stops have this shelter and proper waiting area. Many Melbourne CBD tram stops still require you to stand less than half a metre from both the road lanes and tram lines in the middle of the road. It's the so-called Superstops that are proper platforms like at Flinders Street Station.
My god councillor Ann Moran is such a whinger. She is against the tram line extension because it would mean overhead wires and bitumen and concrete in place of the central green median strip. Not only that, but she claimed that the trams would cause more congestion because the northern half of King William Street is narrower than the southern half. That is absolute bull. Some of the councillors really have no clue. Ann Moran is just a pompous waste of space.
That is why parking in the CBD is so god damn cheap compared to every other mainland capital city larger than Adelaide, and because of that more people would still rather drive because parking is so cheap and easy to find. As if we need any more carparks.chris wrote:It's ironic that some would oppose the destruction of heritage character, yet are all for filling the city with 10 storey lumps of steel and concrete for parked cars.
Has anyone seen the latest one going up in the southern half of the city? My god
The average CBD carpark charges around $1 or $1.20 per hour. In Sydney your lucky if you can find a parking spot for less than $5 an hour.
AtD, it is a state government "thing". It has already been passed in the Lower House of Parliament but still has to pass through the Upper House before it can go ahead. The ACC is running the city centre, but the councillors have absolutely no idea what they are crapping on about.
I think it is time for the state government to repeat what the NSW state government did to one inner Sydney city council. Or the ACC should get its annoying pricky arse out of the business of the state government and other metropolitan councils.
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It doesn't make sense, yet it's true. If people took the time to weigh all the costs and benefits of owning a motor vehicle, there's no way we'd have such high rates of private car use.AG wrote:That is why parking in the CBD is so god damn cheap compared to every other mainland capital city larger than Adelaide, and because of that more people would still rather drive because parking is so cheap and easy to find. As if we need any more carparks.
It's great entertainment value though, watching everyone cry about 5 cents extra on a litre of petrol, yet not even noticing when the price of a car itself continues to rise.
RIGHT TURN BANS
FOR KING WILLIAM ST
Trams force rule changes
for city drivers
By MILISSA KING
31oct05
RIGHT-HAND turns from King William St in the city will be banned next year to make way for trams but Lord Mayor Michael Harbison says Melbourne-style hook turns are an option.
Currently only off-limits during peak hours, right-hand turns will be prohibited between Victoria Square and North Tce to speed up the tram service and make new stops safe for pedestrians.
As part of the dramatic changes to King William St, overhead powerlines also will be installed.
Work on extending the line to North Tce is expected to start by mid-2006.
A tram corridor will take over the space now occupied by a median strip along King William St, with stops and shelters at the intersections of Pirie and Waymouth streets and Hindley St and Rundle Mall and at Adelaide Railway Station.
The Victoria Square terminus will be replaced by a stop at the western end of the square.
Despite rumblings among city councillors about the effect and cost of the change, Mr Harbison said he believed it would revitalise the city.
"I think we do have to have some courage and move forward," he said.
He said the extension would provide "enormous benefits", including better access to the Central Market.
He conceded, however, the change "will take some getting used to", and said the council might consider introducing hook turns at a later date.
Those right-hand turns, made from the left side of the road, already apply to buses turning right from King William St on to North Tce.
A Transport Department spokeswoman said the number of vehicles making right turns from King William St was low.
She said there still would be three lanes of traffic in each direction.
The proposed new route would take trams from the intersection of Grote and Gouger streets around the western edge of the square. The current track and terminus in the square would be returned to parkland but 18 trees would be removed to make way for the new tram tracks. Legislation enabling the Victoria Square changes has passed the House of Assembly but is likely to be opposed by the Liberals in the Upper House.
The new German-built Bombardier trams are scheduled to begin arriving next month. One of them clocked up 500km through German city streets before being sent to Adelaide for final trials.
Decked out in the Adelaide Metro colours of yellow, blue, red and white, it caused a stir when it was tested in mid-September in Chemnitz, eastern Germany. The tram was one of three due to arrive at Outer Harbor on November 11 or 12.
The three trams, on purpose-built trailers, would be taken by truck to Victoria Square, then driven along the re-laid tracks to TransAdelaide's Glengowrie depot.
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We have some idiotic councillors who don't have a clue about what they are running. Hook turns may work in Melbourne, but they won't work in Adelaide. In Melbourne, those negotiating an intersection only need to turn right across two lanes of traffic and 2 tram tracks, and only need to cross other cars and trams (and the odd truck). In Adelaide, this would mean crossing 6 lanes of traffic and 2 tram tracks, as well as buses. Even if it does go through, it won't work.
FOR KING WILLIAM ST
Trams force rule changes
for city drivers
By MILISSA KING
31oct05
RIGHT-HAND turns from King William St in the city will be banned next year to make way for trams but Lord Mayor Michael Harbison says Melbourne-style hook turns are an option.
Currently only off-limits during peak hours, right-hand turns will be prohibited between Victoria Square and North Tce to speed up the tram service and make new stops safe for pedestrians.
As part of the dramatic changes to King William St, overhead powerlines also will be installed.
Work on extending the line to North Tce is expected to start by mid-2006.
A tram corridor will take over the space now occupied by a median strip along King William St, with stops and shelters at the intersections of Pirie and Waymouth streets and Hindley St and Rundle Mall and at Adelaide Railway Station.
The Victoria Square terminus will be replaced by a stop at the western end of the square.
Despite rumblings among city councillors about the effect and cost of the change, Mr Harbison said he believed it would revitalise the city.
"I think we do have to have some courage and move forward," he said.
He said the extension would provide "enormous benefits", including better access to the Central Market.
He conceded, however, the change "will take some getting used to", and said the council might consider introducing hook turns at a later date.
Those right-hand turns, made from the left side of the road, already apply to buses turning right from King William St on to North Tce.
A Transport Department spokeswoman said the number of vehicles making right turns from King William St was low.
She said there still would be three lanes of traffic in each direction.
The proposed new route would take trams from the intersection of Grote and Gouger streets around the western edge of the square. The current track and terminus in the square would be returned to parkland but 18 trees would be removed to make way for the new tram tracks. Legislation enabling the Victoria Square changes has passed the House of Assembly but is likely to be opposed by the Liberals in the Upper House.
The new German-built Bombardier trams are scheduled to begin arriving next month. One of them clocked up 500km through German city streets before being sent to Adelaide for final trials.
Decked out in the Adelaide Metro colours of yellow, blue, red and white, it caused a stir when it was tested in mid-September in Chemnitz, eastern Germany. The tram was one of three due to arrive at Outer Harbor on November 11 or 12.
The three trams, on purpose-built trailers, would be taken by truck to Victoria Square, then driven along the re-laid tracks to TransAdelaide's Glengowrie depot.
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We have some idiotic councillors who don't have a clue about what they are running. Hook turns may work in Melbourne, but they won't work in Adelaide. In Melbourne, those negotiating an intersection only need to turn right across two lanes of traffic and 2 tram tracks, and only need to cross other cars and trams (and the odd truck). In Adelaide, this would mean crossing 6 lanes of traffic and 2 tram tracks, as well as buses. Even if it does go through, it won't work.
I've never really understood the benefit of the Melbourne system... why not just have the right turning traffic sit in the right lane? It's llike the what we have here at the moment except the turn right lane will be shifted over a little. Perhaps the only modification is to control the right turns with a traffic signal to avoid hitting the trams.
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