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[VIS] Re: Interstate Trains at Adelaide Railway Station
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:31 am
by rev
ChillyPhilly wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:49 am
TrebleSketch wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:44 am
Spotto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 9:09 am
JBRE’s trains will never return to ARS. The only one that could potentially is The Overland. Please scroll back through this thread for all the various reasons why.
But yes, once a north-south tunnel link is built it will free up capacity for additional suburban and (hopefully) regional services. But they won’t funnel all lines through it, at most Gawler and Seaford, possibly Flinders.
Having The Overland run via ARS would honestly be a good thing, the bare minimum that should be done. Honestly, I do wonder what the "big transport news" that I've heard about from State Gov, the hopeful in me would be thinking either the return of Regional Rail or maybe the CIty Tunnel. Tho the pessimist would think it might have been the "revised" T2D project...
While it would be awesome to see The Ghan/Indian-Pacific to stop at Platform 1, I don't think they will even be long enough for either's longest configuration. Eh?
I believe the 'transport news' is a $100m package for road/rail
freight on the Lefevre Peninsula.
It is.
Posted it in the Defence thread as its in relation to that stuff ramping up.
[VIS] Re: Interstate Trains at Adelaide Railway Station
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:08 pm
by MT269
Do you have a link? There could be several threads which border on defence discussion.
[VIS] Re: Interstate Trains at Adelaide Railway Station
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 12:05 pm
by ralmin
[VIS] Re: Interstate Trains at Adelaide Railway Station
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:11 pm
by abc
An interstate reviewer of train travel remarked upon arriving at Adelaide station that it was quite depressing... he was specifically referring to the area where the platforms are which have a very low ceiling due to the carpark built above it
It was a missed opportunity in the 80s to build a more spacious enclosed platform area as we see in major cities in the other states
Having said this I don't think it will ever be practical to have interstate trains at Adelaide Station for the reasons such as rail gauge, space anyway. An opportunity exists to create an enclosed platform area along another part of the interstate route. That needn't necessarily be at Keswick, it could be further up closer to the hospital. That track goes all the way to the hospital before bending north and heading to Dry Creek.
[VIS] Re: Interstate Trains at Adelaide Railway Station
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:31 pm
by RetroGamer87
abc wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:11 pm
An opportunity exists to create an enclosed platform area along another part of the interstate route. That needn't necessarily be at Keswick, it could be further up closer to the hospital. That track goes all the way to the hospital before bending north and heading to Dry Creek.
That area wouldn't be straight enough to build platforms.
[VIS] Re: Interstate Trains at Adelaide Railway Station
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:44 pm
by [Shuz]
Several cities have curved platforms. It's not a requirement to have straight platforms.
[VIS] Re: Interstate Trains at Adelaide Railway Station
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am
by Eurostar
Would of been nice if Xplorers were used on The Overland. How many would fit on an Adelaide Railway Station platform ?
[VIS] Re: Interstate Trains at Adelaide Railway Station
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:05 am
by ChillyPhilly
[Shuz] wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:44 pm
Several cities have curved platforms. It's not a requirement to have straight platforms.
It may not be a requirement, but London is phasing these out in the name of disability access (inconsistent gaps between platform and railcar). That said, Adelaide does have some curved stations, and even Adelaide Showground is built on the slightest of curves.
Eurostar wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am
Would of been nice if Xplorers were used on The Overland. How many would fit on an Adelaide Railway Station platform ?
How long are the units compared to the 4000s?
My take is that ARS should be abandoned by metropolitan rail, with Adelaide Metro services going in a new rail tunnel (which then travels under the CBD and rejoins existing rail north of Adelaide Showground), and ARS can be restructured to allow regional/interstate rail, while maintaining links to a new metro station underground.
I do feel the platforms of ARS are poor - diesel noise and fumes, poor lighting, limited passenger info, etc. Longer term the Riverside Centre will probably be demolished, providing an opportunity for further upgrade and a new, additional western entrance.
[VIS] Re: Interstate Trains at Adelaide Railway Station
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:46 pm
by abc
it doesn't have to be located right on the bend, just closer to the North Terrace area of the city. Something covered and nearer the hotel district would be more welcoming than the current arrangement. Even if a small spur is constructed... we have an existing track all the way to the gaol.
As I said, Adelaide Station is not the solution for several reasons that are unmitigable.
[VIS] Re: Interstate Trains at Adelaide Railway Station
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:51 pm
by Nort
ChillyPhilly wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:05 am
[Shuz] wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:44 pm
Several cities have curved platforms. It's not a requirement to have straight platforms.
It may not be a requirement, but London is phasing these out in the name of disability access (inconsistent gaps between platform and railcar). That said, Adelaide does have some curved stations, and even Adelaide Showground is built on the slightest of curves.
Eurostar wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:40 am
Would of been nice if Xplorers were used on The Overland. How many would fit on an Adelaide Railway Station platform ?
How long are the units compared to the 4000s?
My take is that ARS should be abandoned by metropolitan rail, with Adelaide Metro services going in a new rail tunnel (which then travels under the CBD and rejoins existing rail north of Adelaide Showground), and ARS can be restructured to allow regional/interstate rail, while maintaining links to a new metro station underground.
I do feel the platforms of ARS are poor - diesel noise and fumes, poor lighting, limited passenger info, etc. Longer term the Riverside Centre will probably be demolished, providing an opportunity for further upgrade and a new, additional western entrance.
It's hard to imagine there being anywhere near enough regional/interstate rail most of the time to make it anything other than a ghost town inside the existing station the majority of the time, meaning poor amenities and services.
Much more ideal would be getting the cross-city tunnel built so the North/south lines go through that instead of terminating in the station, and using the extra space that comes from that for interstate services.