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rubberman wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:23 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:52 pm

the government were probably looking for an out because of spiralling inflation in the building market this project would've almost certainly gone way over budget

Given that you could buy around 60 house and land packages for that much, you wonder if it's made of gold.

Or, put another way, house 60 families during a housing crisis, or build a bike overpass? Hmmm. Decisions, decisions.

Speaking generally, we need to have a really deep look into why infrastructure is costing so much. Some projects, like various tram extensions seem to have a lot of gold plating without any obvious benefit.

bits wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:12 pm

Governments and corporates have extensive red tape.
They would prefer to spend quite large amounts of money to make sure they could not be liable for even larger amounts of money.
Safety, documenting, certifying, competency and such that simply isn't done in smaller work places.
As these liability limiting paperwork grows the costs grow.

Eg Workers are filling out forms multiple times a day about how they will prevent injuries by stretching and drinking water. Perhaps a couple of bigger risks and their controls were also written down.
Pages of description of what the job will be, the risks that may occur and what controls to use.
Pages of description of every product that will be used and what to do if you ate some.
Daily meetings about the jobs and how to do them safely.
They are building scaffolding because they do not have people working from ladders.
They are checking concrete density because "Blake is a good concreter" isn't a good enough guarantee. Even though Blake actually is a good concreter and it will pass.

SBD wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:14 pm

So the Weatherill Government proposed to spend $10M to build a new overpass with a shared path for pedestrians and cyclists with lifts to the platforms and visual safety, and fix the worst part of the bikeway from Glenelg to the city.

Ten years later, the Malinauskas Government is going to spend $35M to NOT build a new overpass, continue to divert through the underpass, but paint it and make it legal for the cyclists to ride through, but preserve the blind junction with pedestrians coming down from the platforms.

Jayne Stinson was allowed to announce the "win for the local community" over the weekend. Is that because the transport and infrastructure minister and premier know it's a step back for the rest of the community?

bits wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:12 pm

Governments and corporates have extensive red tape.
They would prefer to spend quite large amounts of money to make sure they could not be liable for even larger amounts of money.
Safety, documenting, certifying, competency and such that simply isn't done in smaller work places.
As these liability limiting paperwork grows the costs grow.

Eg Workers are filling out forms multiple times a day about how they will prevent injuries by stretching and drinking water. Perhaps a couple of bigger risks and their controls were also written down.
Pages of description of what the job will be, the risks that may occur and what controls to use.
Pages of description of every product that will be used and what to do if you ate some.
Daily meetings about the jobs and how to do them safely.
They are building scaffolding because they do not have people working from ladders.
They are checking concrete density because "Blake is a good concreter" isn't a good enough guarantee. Even though Blake actually is a good concreter and it will pass.

SRW wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:39 pm

This and the axed Hove railway overpass project are examples of chicken shit government.

abc wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:44 pm

rubberman wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:23 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:52 pm

the government were probably looking for an out because of spiralling inflation in the building market this project would've almost certainly gone way over budget

Given that you could buy around 60 house and land packages for that much, you wonder if it's made of gold.

Or, put another way, house 60 families during a housing crisis, or build a bike overpass? Hmmm. Decisions, decisions.

Speaking generally, we need to have a really deep look into why infrastructure is costing so much. Some projects, like various tram extensions seem to have a lot of gold plating without any obvious benefit.

Government always pay over the odds because its not their money and the contractors know it.
Then there's other factors like high migration rates, sanctions on countries that previously provided us cheap materials, higher energy costs... a lot of endorsed corruption.
We'll never see a proper inquiry into why any of this costs so much because it would expose the wrong people and organisations.

rev wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:44 pm

A Labor government is going to ensure there is a unionised construction work force on public projects. If the government mucks around, the union will hold them over a barrel, and Labor know this. Without Union support/involvement, we would have a very different Labor party.
So who in the government is going to stand up the CFMEU when their members on a construction site a fucking around like they did at the nRAH build? If any of you can cast your minds that far back and recall the shenanigans workers got up to on site..