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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#661 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Wed May 06, 2020 11:47 pm

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I think the mid-term future for the rail corridor could lie somewhere between all the recent posts on here - how about extending Adelaide Metro services one more stop to Concordia from Gawler Central, integrating the new station with a bus interchange that would serve both LinkSA and private operators? You would then have an idea as to whether restoring any future leisure or commuter rail beyond Concordia would be viable. Certainly with the growth of housing on the Gawler fringe, Concordia could be viable for Adelaide Metro services within the next 10 years.
Also, I think once electrified rail services begin from Gawler Central towards the end of 2021, there will be a renewed push to relieve congestion at the Murray Street crossing, which will only worsen due to the increased popularity of the rail service.
Or a one-station-at-a-time extension of the Gawler line. That way, the upfront cost to the government is low, so if they choose not to continue with extensions, they can stop.

The government is after jobs programs right now, and this one looks pretty straightforward to do. Especially if the Concordia station is built before the level crossing with Barossa Valley Way. All that needs to happen is to repair the track and build a platform at Concordia.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#662 Post by PeFe » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:06 pm

The Overland really must mean something more to regional Victorians than it does to regional South Australians.
The Vics are stumping up more money to keep the Overland running.

From In Daily
The Overland train set to resume when borders open: reports

The embattled Overland train service between Adelaide and Melbourne is reportedly set to resume when the state border reopens, with the Victorian Government expected to announce it has signed a new funding deal.

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Victorian country newspaper, the Stawell Times-News, reported today the Victorian Government had signed a new funding deal with The Overland’s operator, Journey Beyond Rail Expeditions.

“A spokeswoman confirmed the service will be funded for the next three years, today being the day the most recent three-month funding agreement was due to expire,” the paper reported.

“The Victorian government has funded The Overland unilaterally since the South Australian government pulled out of a joint arrangement in December 2018.

“This funding is not contingent on the South Australian government providing any funding, and we will run the train as soon as the border reopens,’ she said.”

The paper reported National Party MP for Lowan Emma Kealy saying: “This news is testament to the amazing community support for the campaign to get this crucial service funded. It has been a long, hard road to get to this point, and I am so thrilled that the people of our region will continue to have access to this much-needed rail service, as they deserve to.”

Save the Overland group member Margaret Millington describing the service’s funding for three years as a “fantastic outcome”.

“We are overwhelmed. A special thanks to the Victorian state government and to everyone who made the case for it to continue,” she said.

While JBRE today would not comment to InDaily on the Victorian reports, South Australian Labor leader Peter Malinauskas said he welcomed the Victorian government decision to extend funding to The Overland.

“The Victorian Government’s lifeline for The Overland train is a welcome one – it is an iconic service,” he said.

“Since launching our campaign, SA Labor has been inundated with people who rely heavily on the service, not just for interstate travel – but also for its regional stops.

“The refusal by the Marshall Government to fund The Overland almost killed the service and we know that once train services cease to operate, they often never return.”

InDaily reported on March 30 that the Overland suspended services due to measures to combat coronavirus.

But its future has been under a cloud since 2018, when the SA government withdrew the subsidy it paid to JBRE.

The 135-year-old train service stops at a number of Victorian and SA towns, including Bordertown and Murray Bridge.

After SA pulled its funding, JBRE and the Victorian Government increased their own contributions for 12 months, then agreed to a three-month extension to keep the train running from January 1, 2020, to March 31 while its long-term future was considered.

Despite the March 31 extension deadline, JBRE continued negotiations with the Victorian Government in a bid to secure The Overland’s future.

“The Overland has consistently required Government support which has heavily subsidised significant operational costs to ensure affordability for commuters,” JBRE toldInDaily in March.

https://indaily.com.au/news/2020/06/30/ ... n-reports/

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#663 Post by SBD » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:44 pm

PeFe wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:06 pm
The Overland really must mean something more to regional Victorians than it does to regional South Australians.
The Vics are stumping up more money to keep the Overland running.

From In Daily
....
Victorian country newspaper, the Stawell Times-News, reported today the Victorian Government had signed a new funding deal with The Overland’s operator, Journey Beyond Rail Expeditions.
...
“Since launching our campaign, SA Labor has been inundated with people who rely heavily on the service, not just for interstate travel – but also for its regional stops.
...
The 135-year-old train service stops at a number of Victorian and SA towns, including Bordertown and Murray Bridge.
...
“The Overland has consistently required Government support which has heavily subsidised significant operational costs to ensure affordability for commuters,” JBRE told InDaily in March.

https://indaily.com.au/news/2020/06/30/ ... n-reports/
The Overland stops at more places in Victoria than it does in South Australia. They are all larger towns than Bordertown, and Murray Bridge probably has a much better metro bus service for most potential passengers to Adelaide, and "why would anyone want to go to Melbourne?"

I wonder why people are "inundating" SA Labor when the local members for both stops are very safe Liberals (and SA-BEST came second at the last election in both state seats)

I'm sure JBRE have worked out that if they can convince governments to stump up funds, it's better than having to advertise and provide a service that people actually want to use.

Does JBRE offer package deals for Victorian tourists to stop off for a couple of days in each town to make the journey itself like a country holiday for carless grey nomads? That would potentially impact the regional economies in ways that mean the locals don't need to be the ones using the service. Otherwise, the best way to "save the service" is for the people (i.e. us) to get on board and use it.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#664 Post by Eurostar » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:37 pm

SBD wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:44 pm
PeFe wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:06 pm
The Overland really must mean something more to regional Victorians than it does to regional South Australians.
The Vics are stumping up more money to keep the Overland running.

From In Daily
....
Victorian country newspaper, the Stawell Times-News, reported today the Victorian Government had signed a new funding deal with The Overland’s operator, Journey Beyond Rail Expeditions.
...
“Since launching our campaign, SA Labor has been inundated with people who rely heavily on the service, not just for interstate travel – but also for its regional stops.
...
The 135-year-old train service stops at a number of Victorian and SA towns, including Bordertown and Murray Bridge.
...
“The Overland has consistently required Government support which has heavily subsidised significant operational costs to ensure affordability for commuters,” JBRE told InDaily in March.

https://indaily.com.au/news/2020/06/30/ ... n-reports/
The Overland stops at more places in Victoria than it does in South Australia. They are all larger towns than Bordertown, and Murray Bridge probably has a much better metro bus service for most potential passengers to Adelaide, and "why would anyone want to go to Melbourne?"

I wonder why people are "inundating" SA Labor when the local members for both stops are very safe Liberals (and SA-BEST came second at the last election in both state seats)

I'm sure JBRE have worked out that if they can convince governments to stump up funds, it's better than having to advertise and provide a service that people actually want to use.

Does JBRE offer package deals for Victorian tourists to stop off for a couple of days in each town to make the journey itself like a country holiday for carless grey nomads? That would potentially impact the regional economies in ways that mean the locals don't need to be the ones using the service. Otherwise, the best way to "save the service" is for the people (i.e. us) to get on board and use it.
As I've thought for yonks, there should be a stop in Adelaide Hills i.e Balhannah or Aldgate

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#665 Post by mattwinter » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:19 pm

It does make me wonder if now that Victoria is building standard gauge vlocity trains they have at least half a mind to run one along the overland route one day and hence are keeping it going while they work that out. At least to Horsham or something.

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