Footbrawl (pointless arguments about the AFL)

[jk1237]

come on now, grow up camries, don't dish it out if you can't take it, its rather lame

[Waewick]

That's a great post and all rev, but where were those words in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012? You said it yourself, 40,000 members ditched their memberships. Now, last time I looked, turning your back on a club that you're so "passionate" about when they are performing poorly, and rejoining again when they start winning is not GOOD tradition. Sure, there are always going to be a few that ride the band wagon, but 40,000!? What does that say about Port Adelaide culture?

At a time when the club was being detrimentally controlled and drained by the SANFL? They voted with their feet and their wallets. For change.
Change has now occurred. Part of the reason change occurred, part of the reason the club fell as low as it did, is because those members acted the only way they realistically act and force a change.
Make no mistake, people turned away because they were sick of what they were seeing. What they were seeing was a direct result of the SANFL.

Isn't it funny that now we are almost totally free of any SANFL involvement in AFL football in this state, and how drastically Port's fortunes have changed? Amazing. Further proof and solidifies my argument.

You can rave on about the Crows being a composite team and nothing but a business until the cows (like my pun?) come home. Isnt that what the AFL is these days, a corporation? You think Port dont want to be this way? Why are they trying to create a new market in China? What does Alberton have to do with China?

I really don't care what the Crows are, nor do I call them the cows.
I actually hope that both Port and the Crows get equal, fair, balanced deals and treatment from here on in, and while I hope that Port maintains it's strong performances, I also want to see the Crows doing well as well. I'm not bitter or twisted on the whole matter like some of you Crowbots are.

The whole playing a game in China thing is about capturing a new market. About creating new potential sponsors. It's about taking our game beyond our own shores. It's innovation and thinking outside the box, something foreign to the Crows corporate heads who so far this season have tried to emulate what Port Adelaide has done but have fallen short. Hard to chase the leader when you don't know what the leader is actually doing.

Yep, football is a business. A multi-billion dollar business. No money, cant operate. That's what it's about.
It takes more then a club culture and traditions. It takes a lot more money then it used to, when those traditions and that culture was forged.
That is the reality when a football department needs $20 million to operate and be competitive.
That doesn't mean the club turns it's back on it's culture or traditions. Those things are very much a part of the way forward as they are of that clubs history.

Plus, that whole argument about the crows having no history is becoming redundant now anyway. The club is approaching 25 years of age. They have plenty of young members. lets not forget THE CROWS ARE A BIGGER CLUB THAN PORT. And before you say "well Port have over 100 years of history", that's great, but did ALL of Port's 52,000 current members hail from the blue collar origins of the original Port Adelaide? Hardly. We are talking the magpies here, not that mob with teal on their jumpers. Oh wait, I forgot, "One Club".

You're right, you did forget, because you're just a plain old idiot trying to appear intelligent on the subject of Port Adelaide, like most Camry Crowbots.
What you fail to understand, either through stupidity, ignorance, or just plain being a jackass, is that the Port Adelaide Football Club that was founded in 1870(it actually is older then the SANFL, another fact for you), left the SANFL when it joined the AFL, and changed from the "Magpies" to the "Power". The club didn't fold, and a new entity replace it. The club rebranded it self. For obvious reasons, it's called Collingwood Magpies. The Magpies which then existed in the SANFL concurrently with the Power, was on the wishes of the SANFL. Again, for obvious reasons. Port Adelaide cash cow, biggest club in the league, splitting the supporter base between Magpies and Power.
Eventually, as you say, the cows came home, and Port Adelaide said enough is enough, the right opportunity presented it self for something to be done, and it was done.

I hope I've educated you, and hopefully bits and pieces have stuck in your mind. Eventually, you will hear it enough times, and all the bits and pieces will stick in your mind. Putting them all in the correct order in a Crowbots mind though might require some doing though.

I also realise every AFL club sells 3-game memberships these days. Why wouldn't they? Its a great business model. But don't over-look the fact that almost 50% of your members don't have the commitment to buy a full 11-game membership. Again, what does that say about Port fans and their level of commitment to their club? Count up the numbers for 1 and 3 game crows memberships and compare those numbers to their 11-game memberships and see what the difference is.

LOL clutch at some smaller straws.

Am i getting you "revved" up yet rev?

Oh, I'm immensely revved up jackass.

FWIW, I really like Port Adelaide as an organisation.

No you don't. You are trying to save face now.
A bit too transparent. Like the lying and cheating your club is now renowned for with it's "clerical errors".

I think that their marketing is great, their pre-game entertainment is fantastic, and the Crows have a lot to learn from them in these areas. I just have sour grapes about the fact that you only see passion from Port fans when their team is doing well, and when its the case you'd think it had been happening for a million consecutive seasons.

The Crows should start trying to be original and do their own thing.
Copying Port by playing songs(non-club song) before a game, trying to have a mini concert like Ports post-game concerts, trying to have a "march to the oval" like Port does..just pathetic really.

Like I said, it's hard to copy and follow the leader when you don't even know what the leader is doing and why the leader is doing what they are doing.

Rev put it bluntly

your posts are near on unintelligible

All your clubs "original" ideas are copied from interstate or overseas, which is fairly normal all over the world, but apparently you didn't get the memo.

I admire your blind faith because your inability to articulate any thing other than petty insults reflects your real knowledge of matters outside who can piss the furthest.

[Waewick]

come on now, grow up camries, don't dish it out if you can't take it, its rather lame

This kind of statement is equally as pathetic.

[jk1237]

come on now, grow up camries, don't dish it out if you can't take it, its rather lame

This kind of statement is equally as pathetic.

oh dear - another pathetic post by the self righteous Waewick

[Wayno]

This is why we dissuade religion & footy from being discussed on S-A. Politics is ok, at least for the moment.

I give it 2 days and this thread will be locked...

[Waewick]

come on now, grow up camries, don't dish it out if you can't take it, its rather lame

This kind of statement is equally as pathetic.

oh dear - another pathetic post by the self righteous Waewick

I'm not self righteous

In just righteous

[rev]

Ugh, take this crap to Bigfooty, reverend. There's a thread on that forum from the Port Power fans about how they would react if their kid was drafted to the Crows. Show support for what your child wants to do? God no. Re losing players, Port have lost players too, such as Ben Jacobs and Shaun Burgoyne, with Burgoyne admitting disenchantment within the ranks.

Fact is, you didn't show up in 2008-2012 because you're bandwagoners. Don't tell me about "we voted with our feet", no Port fans ever said that. In fact, back in 2011 when both Crows and Port were shit, I'd say to my mates "Hey, you wanna talk about footy?", and they'd be like "Nup" and go quiet, because Port were doing badly. They didn't say, "we're voting with our feet because we're disgusted by our management", and "we hate the way this club is being run", they said nothing. Besides, why would it have taken five seasons before anything changed?

Oh, but then in 2013/this year, now that you're finally good again, the Port ferals are the first ones to tell me about how good they are, suddenly they want to talk footy again. Then, going to the showdown this year and last, a bunch of Port ferals throw their scarves in my face and wave their shiny new flags in my way as I try to walk out. I remember one of the Port trivia questions was "What year was this famous Port Adelaide moment?". Answer? 2013, of course. It's not like most Port fans remember 2008-2012

I respect the passionate Port fans who stuck with their team through some of the darkest days in their history, such as Richmond 2010 in the pissing rain on their 140th anniversary, 165, Gold Coast and GWS losses, and as much as I hate Port, they're killing us off field. Don't act as if your club has always been perfect when you take pleasure in seeing us lose to Melbourne. Your club has been there, through much darker days as well.

I'm honestly pissed off with the Crows management at the moment. Walking a 19th man flag around the oval to a shitty crows anthem is NOT pre-match entertainment, Bernie Vince was handled disgracefully and Trigg and the board need sacking immediately (you could write a book as thick as a telephone book on what those muppets have cost us). I have questions about whether Sando is the right man to lead us (even in 2012 he refused to drop Shaw, Petrenko or Callinan in the finals), our assistant coaches (Bickley in particular) need replacing, and average list cloggers like Mackay, Shaw, Petrenko and Reilly need delisting.

Just remember that you won't be playing like this forever, form and success fluctuates, and we'll have to see if the bay covers and sub 20k crowds return when your now open premiership window closes.

Anyway, I have quite hypocritically gone off on a rant about Port when I told you to take it to Bigfooty. Don't bother replying rev, I'm not interested in a shit hurling fight with you. We should keep discussion in this forum civil and not resort to name calling and other immature crap, as you have done to others in this forum already. No need to get so worked up about what, at the end of the day, is a game, to total strangers.

Why suggest taking it to Bigfooty(too many egos there, not interested in joining), if you are going to launch into your own rant?

Rev, you're obviously passionate and know your Port Adelaide history and i'm more than happy to go "toe to toe" even if it's for a bit of fun and amusement. However, you ruined it for me when you started making assumptions about what kind of person I am, my age and my level of intelligence. You even dropped a few name-callings in there. All assumptions of which are based largely on a stereotype of the football team that I follow. I'm reluctant to stoop to your level even though it would be the easiest way to stamp my authority (and self perceived it seems to be, in your case) over this thread.

You've never met me and you certainly dont know me. You're acting like an immature brat who can't control his or her's emotions.

In other words, get over yourself.

I know all I need to know, you support the crows, and I can judge what sort of supporter you are based on your posts on the subject.
I've been called worse then an immature brat.

come on now, grow up camries, don't dish it out if you can't take it, its rather lame

Come on, they wouldn't be true South Australians if they could take it being thrown back at them.

Rev put it bluntly

your posts are near on unintelligible

In other words, your post was too long so I didn't read it, so instead I'll just call you dumb.

All your clubs "original" ideas are copied from interstate or overseas, which is fairly normal all over the world, but apparently you didn't get the memo.

I admire your blind faith because your inability to articulate any thing other than petty insults reflects your real knowledge of matters outside who can piss the furthest.

Here's the good part. I never claimed Port Adelaide invented playing a song before the team runs out, or marching to the stadium, or having a concert after a game.
That is just another convenient assumption by a crowbot because again the crowbot lacks an argument with substance or facts.

Port may very well have gotten inspiration for some of the things it's done from overseas.
But the point I was making, was that Port actually did something to improve the match day experience for fans. It's one of the key areas the club is focusing on in luring back as many fans and past members as possible.

Whereas, and pay attention now so I don't have to repeat my self, the Crows did nothing significant to improve the match day experience. What they did do though, is try and play catch up, thinking they can have some insignificant performers do a mini concert, get the grand mothers out of their retirement homes to do a sing along, etc etc.
It was all a knee jerk reaction because Port's match day experience's are a success.

Now, go join the other 19th man or whatever you call your selves, and walk out with the game in the balance.

[slenderman]

Ugh, take this crap to Bigfooty, reverend. There's a thread on that forum from the Port Power fans about how they would react if their kid was drafted to the Crows. Show support for what your child wants to do? God no. Re losing players, Port have lost players too, such as Ben Jacobs and Shaun Burgoyne, with Burgoyne admitting disenchantment within the ranks.

Fact is, you didn't show up in 2008-2012 because you're bandwagoners. Don't tell me about "we voted with our feet", no Port fans ever said that. In fact, back in 2011 when both Crows and Port were shit, I'd say to my mates "Hey, you wanna talk about footy?", and they'd be like "Nup" and go quiet, because Port were doing badly. They didn't say, "we're voting with our feet because we're disgusted by our management", and "we hate the way this club is being run", they said nothing. Besides, why would it have taken five seasons before anything changed?

Oh, but then in 2013/this year, now that you're finally good again, the Port ferals are the first ones to tell me about how good they are, suddenly they want to talk footy again. Then, going to the showdown this year and last, a bunch of Port ferals throw their scarves in my face and wave their shiny new flags in my way as I try to walk out. I remember one of the Port trivia questions was "What year was this famous Port Adelaide moment?". Answer? 2013, of course. It's not like most Port fans remember 2008-2012

I respect the passionate Port fans who stuck with their team through some of the darkest days in their history, such as Richmond 2010 in the pissing rain on their 140th anniversary, 165, Gold Coast and GWS losses, and as much as I hate Port, they're killing us off field. Don't act as if your club has always been perfect when you take pleasure in seeing us lose to Melbourne. Your club has been there, through much darker days as well.

I'm honestly pissed off with the Crows management at the moment. Walking a 19th man flag around the oval to a shitty crows anthem is NOT pre-match entertainment, Bernie Vince was handled disgracefully and Trigg and the board need sacking immediately (you could write a book as thick as a telephone book on what those muppets have cost us). I have questions about whether Sando is the right man to lead us (even in 2012 he refused to drop Shaw, Petrenko or Callinan in the finals), our assistant coaches (Bickley in particular) need replacing, and average list cloggers like Mackay, Shaw, Petrenko and Reilly need delisting.

Just remember that you won't be playing like this forever, form and success fluctuates, and we'll have to see if the bay covers and sub 20k crowds return when your now open premiership window closes.

Anyway, I have quite hypocritically gone off on a rant about Port when I told you to take it to Bigfooty. Don't bother replying rev, I'm not interested in a shit hurling fight with you. We should keep discussion in this forum civil and not resort to name calling and other immature crap, as you have done to others in this forum already. No need to get so worked up about what, at the end of the day, is a game, to total strangers.

Why suggest taking it to Bigfooty(too many egos there, not interested in joining), if you are going to launch into your own rant?

Rev, you're obviously passionate and know your Port Adelaide history and i'm more than happy to go "toe to toe" even if it's for a bit of fun and amusement. However, you ruined it for me when you started making assumptions about what kind of person I am, my age and my level of intelligence. You even dropped a few name-callings in there. All assumptions of which are based largely on a stereotype of the football team that I follow. I'm reluctant to stoop to your level even though it would be the easiest way to stamp my authority (and self perceived it seems to be, in your case) over this thread.

You've never met me and you certainly dont know me. You're acting like an immature brat who can't control his or her's emotions.

In other words, get over yourself.

I know all I need to know, you support the crows, and I can judge what sort of supporter you are based on your posts on the subject.
I've been called worse then an immature brat.

come on now, grow up camries, don't dish it out if you can't take it, its rather lame

Come on, they wouldn't be true South Australians if they could take it being thrown back at them.

Rev put it bluntly

your posts are near on unintelligible

In other words, your post was too long so I didn't read it, so instead I'll just call you dumb.

All your clubs "original" ideas are copied from interstate or overseas, which is fairly normal all over the world, but apparently you didn't get the memo.

I admire your blind faith because your inability to articulate any thing other than petty insults reflects your real knowledge of matters outside who can piss the furthest.

Here's the good part. I never claimed Port Adelaide invented playing a song before the team runs out, or marching to the stadium, or having a concert after a game.
That is just another convenient assumption by a crowbot because again the crowbot lacks an argument with substance or facts.

Port may very well have gotten inspiration for some of the things it's done from overseas.
But the point I was making, was that Port actually did something to improve the match day experience for fans. It's one of the key areas the club is focusing on in luring back as many fans and past members as possible.

Whereas, and pay attention now so I don't have to repeat my self, the Crows did nothing significant to improve the match day experience. What they did do though, is try and play catch up, thinking they can have some insignificant performers do a mini concert, get the grand mothers out of their retirement homes to do a sing along, etc etc.
It was all a knee jerk reaction because Port's match day experience's are a success.

Now, go join the other 19th man or whatever you call your selves, and walk out with the game in the balance.

Alright I'll eat my words and defend against your hypocrisy. Yes, you should take it to bigfooty, a forum dedicated to these shit hurling fights that you seem to love getting into because someone dares suggest your crowds are largely inflated by your success. Also, you claim you don't call us the "cows", taking the moral high ground, but instead, you call us the "crowbots". Big difference. A tad hypocritical if you ask me.

I don't know about you, but the Collingwood game entertainment was a big improvement over the previous efforts from the Crows. We played a band before the game and during half time, on the hill, not after the game at Memorial Drive like your mob. And we got rid of the crows anthem and 61st man flag walk around the oval. Sounds like an IMPROVEMENT in entertainment, no? I'll let you have the fact we copied the march, but I couldn't care less about that, it's just walking into a stadium over a bridge, which I do anyway. Big deal.

And for your final remark re leaving early, we could just say "oh, we're voting with our feet and disgusted by our performance", and we can also point out the hypocrisy in your statement. Were you there on this day?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IW3rF1WKxs

It's amazing how footy discussion (especially over the internet) brings out the worst in us. You seem to be quite a reasonable person when it comes to discussing development, but I'm not sure why you have to make ageist remarks against elderly Crows supporters, there's plenty of old Port fans too. The football should be a place where everyone should be allowed to enjoy themselves, not just Port fans up and about when they're successful.

[rev]

Yep, a big improvement.

Like I said to Waewick, you can send your thankyou cards to Port Adelaide for bringing something new to football, which your club quickly copied in it's own fashion.

It's amazing how a crows supporter points out "the worst being brought out" in a port supporter, but says nothing of his fellow crows supporters who incited the discussion and dragged it down.

I make remarks about the general eledery age of crows supporters because they make up a big percentage of crows supporters at games.
You will get elderly women "tell you off" and go find police and security to remove you if you make too much noise, as an opposition supporter. And by too much noise I mean your typical non offensive barracking at a game.
Police and security are amused by it all.

You wont get that at a Port game though.

Btw, is Anne Moran a Crows or Port fan or neither? She was complaining about footy fans destroying the place afterwards...well, it's starting to emerge that it's Crows fans who are mostly responsible. Several people who work at Adelaide Oval, crows fans and people not interested in either team, have commented how much more well behaved and generally civilized Port fans are overall, compared to Crows fans who often leave the place trashed and are absolute pigs(in more ways then one). I'm not saying this to stir you up.

Have a nice Monday crowbot.

[serca]

Yeah right ???? I guess there is passion then there is this thread. I though this was going to be a good idea ........

[SuperEgz]

I think this new trdition is really starting to take off! What do you guys think about it?

[metro]

^ love it, and I'm no fan of AFL

and a bit reminiscent of Liverpool FC's 'You'll Never Walk Alone'

[ml69]

I think this new trdition is really starting to take off! What do you guys think about it?

That is fantastic ... and that's coming from a Crows fan!

[ChillyPhilly]

I can proudly say that I helped improvise the start of this new tradition with my group The Alberton Crowd (alongside the Cheer Squad in the southern goals).

www.fb.com/TheAlbertonCrowdPAFC

[rev]

Poor crows, trying hard to market the one millionth AFL fan at Adelaide Oval.

You forgot the very first game at Adelaide Oval.
One millionth fan to an AFL game at the oval overall is a Port fan.
One millionth this season will be a Crows fan. Unless a Port fan attends and flukes it. How funny would that be.