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#421 Post by Redback20 » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:45 pm

some sort of rail link for the airport-CBD is a must. I've had mates from interstate and overseas comment what a great airport we have but then can't believe the metro/train doesn't link it to the City when its only 6kms away.

Is this proposed Ho or just what you'd like to see, i wasn't sure from your post?
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Likewise same visitors were surprised that the tram went right into Vic Square but didn't link up to the train station on North Tce. All thought it a given that this crucial gap in the city's rail network was finally being plugged.

As an aside, when I lived in europe, trams were being built all over the place. Initially in my city the residents & businesses were protesting at road closures, shouting white elephant etc but once built, they found them clean, quiet and four times faster than buses. House prices rocketed all along the routes, businesses flourished and now they wouldn't be without them for anything. As far as I know that experience was replicated wherever they were built and even initial opposition gradually disappeared as neighbouring cities looked on with envy and wanted similar.

The advantage Adelaide has compared to european cities.... is space.
Bring em on!

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#422 Post by James Renfrey » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:29 pm

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James Renfrey wrote:And Froggy! If you can't sustain a sensible argument, for goodness sake be silent.
Froggy wrote:How great for you, please don't talk down to me it's insulting as is your woefully constructed arguement here.
Froggy - PLEASE STOP CROAKING. YOU MAKE BALD STATEMENTS WITHOUT JUSTIFYING THEM. Your spelling also lacks accuracy.

I've had a lively interest in public transport matters for more than sixty years, forty five of which were spent as a secondary school teacher of English and Humanities. I think that I am well qualified to give you a very big red F for your effusions in this thread.

Your arguments remind me of those of the person claiming to be an 'Urban Designer' who wrote - "it would be a pedestrian hazard" - as part of a diatribe against the tram extension in the CITY MESSENGER (070201). I am sure that the thousands of people mown down and mutilated every day by the trams which traverse the Bourke Street Mall will agree wholeheartedly with you. How anyone at all is left alive in that benighted city to our southeast, I do not know. I am amazed that I am still intact after spending nearly thirty years driving around it with all those juggernauts charging at me.

Remember, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION, BUT IT IS WORTH ONLY AS MUCH AS THE DEGREE OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE ON WHICH IT IS BASED. On this subject at least, it has the same value as a large pile of ordure left steaming in the wake of a male bovine animal as it pulls its wagon (with seats) from Victoria Square to the Adelaide Station and back again.

I'm not at all sure that the NIMBYs of this city wouldn't prefer such a conveyance to the dreaded capacious, clean, silent, non-polluting and path-predictable trams which WILL replace the noisy, smelly, weaving buses in the widest city street in Australia.

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#423 Post by Ho Really » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:37 pm

Redback20 wrote:some sort of rail link for the airport-CBD is a must. I've had mates from interstate and overseas comment what a great airport we have but then can't believe the metro/train doesn't link it to the City when its only 6kms away.

Is this proposed Ho or just what you'd like to see, i wasn't sure from your post?...
Not sure whether the current government or Transport SA have got anything in mind, I do however. I have always had grand visions for Adelaide transport, and I guess a few others on this forum have as well. There are options for a tram and light rail system to the airport. The tram could link the city via Sir Donald Bradman Drive and connect to any tram line in Grote Street or West /North Terrace. The light rail option would link the city by a purpose-built corridor (which is already there, but requiring some tweaking) that will connect to our broad-gauge railway system (which hopefully will be standard-gauge by then) in the Mile End area and bring travellers to the Adelaide Railway Station on North Terrace.

Take a good look at a map from that part of town and see where the light rail can be incorporated. It has been staring at me for years and I am stupified no government has ever thought of it (well, at least not made it public). Do you guys want hints?

We could add the Keswick Interstate Terminal as well, but that would lengthen the route slightly. Guys give me your thoughts.

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#424 Post by Ho Really » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:41 pm

Actually, I might start a new thread on an Airport transport link, unless there's one already.

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#425 Post by Froggy » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:08 pm

James Renfrey wrote:
Froggy wrote:
James Renfrey wrote:And Froggy! If you can't sustain a sensible argument, for goodness sake be silent.
Froggy wrote:How great for you, please don't talk down to me it's insulting as is your woefully constructed arguement here.
Froggy - PLEASE STOP CROAKING. YOU MAKE BALD STATEMENTS WITHOUT JUSTIFYING THEM. Your spelling also lacks accuracy.

I've had a lively interest in public transport matters for more than sixty years, forty five of which were spent as a secondary school teacher of English and Humanities. I think that I am well qualified to give you a very big red F for your effusions in this thread.

Your arguments remind me of those of the person claiming to be an 'Urban Designer' who wrote - "it would be a pedestrian hazard" - as part of a diatribe against the tram extension in the CITY MESSENGER (070201). I am sure that the thousands of people mown down and mutilated every day by the trams which traverse the Bourke Street Mall will agree wholeheartedly with you. How anyone at all is left alive in that benighted city to our southeast, I do not know. I am amazed that I am still intact after spending nearly thirty years driving around it with all those juggernauts charging at me.

Remember, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION, BUT IT IS WORTH ONLY AS MUCH AS THE DEGREE OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE ON WHICH IT IS BASED. On this subject at least, it has the same value as a large pile of ordure left steaming in the wake of a male bovine animal as it pulls its wagon (with seats) from Victoria Square to the Adelaide Station and back again.

I'm not at all sure that the NIMBYs of this city wouldn't prefer such a conveyance to the dreaded capacious, clean, silent, non-polluting and path-predictable trams which WILL replace the noisy, smelly, weav
ing buses in the widest city street in Australia.
Just proved one of my points to people about this, it's the old fart - rose glasses brigade who love the idea. Let it go, they were taken out for a reason in the first place.

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#426 Post by Tom » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:31 pm

No it most certainly not Froggy. Im in my late teens and I support along with ALOT of other people my age!.

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#427 Post by AG » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:47 pm

Froggy wrote:Just proved one of my points to people about this, it's the old fart - rose glasses brigade who love the idea. Let it go, they were taken out for a reason in the first place.
And what reason(s) was that? You need to explain mate.

I myself am in my very late teens, I rarely use the tram line and I still support it. It's an improvement on the interchange linkages between some of Adelaide's most important public transport services.

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#428 Post by Howie » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:57 pm

Almost time for a cleanup on this thread 8)

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#429 Post by James Renfrey » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:03 am

I have always had grand visions for Adelaide transport, and I guess a few others on this forum have as well. There are options for a tram and light rail system to the airport.....The light rail option would link the city by a purpose-built corridor (which is already there, but requiring some tweaking) that will connect to our broad-gauge railway system (which hopefully will be standard-gauge by then) in the Mile End area and bring travellers to the Adelaide Railway Station on North Terrace. Do you guys want hints?
I do, 'Ho Really'. I have for some years now publicly proposed a comprehensive light rail system as a solution to Adelaide's transport problems. I am guessing that you would use part of the former tram corridor between North Terrace and Henley Beach Road alongside Port and Deviation Roads, connecting with the new tramway at its temporary terminus opposite the western campus of UniSA or proceeding on gauge converted tracks into the Adelaide Station.

I would welcome discussion on your proposals as, I am sure, would the many other sensible and thoughtful members of all ages who contribute to this forum.

We'll just have to ignore the few who, like 'Froggy', display their ignorance and immaturity when they barge into what should be a polite and erudite exchange of ideas.

I look forward to your next contribution to the forum.

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#430 Post by Will409 » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:00 am

Tom wrote:No it most certainly not Froggy. Im in my late teens and I support along with ALOT of other people my age!.
AG wrote:
Froggy wrote:Just proved one of my points to people about this, it's the old fart - rose glasses brigade who love the idea. Let it go, they were taken out for a reason in the first place.
And what reason(s) was that? You need to explain mate.

I myself am in my very late teens, I rarely use the tram line and I still support it. It's an improvement on the interchange linkages between some of Adelaide's most important public transport services.
Like AG and Tom, I am in my teens and a good few people in my area like the idea as well. I have probably said this before but a lot of people I know like to go to Glenelg on the tram. However, it is always annoying that we have to make 2 changes from a train to a bus and then from a bus to a tram in just under 2kms. Its more effort then is really needed. No, we can just make one quick change from a train to a tram and that is it. We can sit back and relax.

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#431 Post by Froggy » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:01 am

Anyone hear the poll on triple m this morning, 75% against the tram extension.

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#432 Post by Froggy » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:05 am

James Renfrey wrote:
We'll just have to ignore the few who, like 'Froggy', display their ignorance and immaturity when they barge into what should be a polite and erudite exchange of ideas.

I look forward to your next contribution to the forum.
That's all good to say that, but if you notice it was the people who can't handle someone with an opinion that wasn't pro tram who got all upset and insulting to begin with.

I'd like to know because I'm pretty sure I am correct how many of you are rail fans, or rail hoobyists? I'm pretty sure most will deny it but it is pretty obvious quite a few of you are.

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#433 Post by Froggy » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:06 am

AG wrote:
Froggy wrote:Just proved one of my points to people about this, it's the old fart - rose glasses brigade who love the idea. Let it go, they were taken out for a reason in the first place.
And what reason(s) was that? You need to explain mate.

I myself am in my very late teens, I rarely use the tram line and I still support it. It's an improvement on the interchange linkages between some of Adelaide's most important public transport services.
Ah from the Eastern suburbs, more rose coloured glasses, I hardly think this new extension is going to effect anywhere you usually drive or go in the city.

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#434 Post by Howie » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:28 am

Something in the paper today about Conlon wanting a CBD network of tramlines covering the city's east end aswell... now theres a plan !

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#435 Post by Will » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:49 am

Froggy wrote:Anyone hear the poll on triple m this morning, 75% against the tram extension.
You should have a look at the results of the official public consultation:

http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/ima ... ension.pdf

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