Adelaide Oval news and events

[Wayno]

Not a good bet if you ask me.

Agreed. Need a much stronger business case that what's been discussed here to date.

[kingy]

Then, even if Adelaide United won every home game, and soccer crowds DOUBLED to say 12000 per home game.......Now if Adelaide united go back to just a middle rung club, and there are a few "incidences" at the stadium or outside? Not a good bet if you ask me.

United averaged 11,287 this year, 12,644 last year, and 11,225 the year before that. The stadium has seats for 15,000 (along with 1,500 standing). I'm not sure what you mean by the crowds doubling as they can't in their current stadium. This is a much higher utilisation than port or crows last year at Footy Park (78% AUFC, 65% AFC, 52% PAFC).

[claybro]

I guess the point being, that the phenomenal cost of the AO upgrade is justifiable in terms of even just AFL games some 900000 plus thousand per year over two clubs.- A huge bonus for the CBD that AO attracts over a million extra visitors into the CBD each year, including the cricket, once again massive crowds for all forms.
A rectangular stadium for soccer, could realistically be built to also service some rugby games in Adelaide and some mid crowd concerts, but soccer alone even if they were to double their attendances to around 20k per game (still unlikely as the AO has increased AFL attendances only by about 20-30%) , is not enough to justify the expense. Has there been even one sell-out game at Hindmarsh this year? I think an indoor tennis and basketball centre would be a far better more versatile, more compact and more marketable facility.

[kingy]

I guess the point being, that the phenomenal cost of the AO upgrade is justifiable in terms of even just AFL games some 900000 plus thousand per year over two clubs.- A huge bonus for the CBD that AO attracts over a million extra visitors into the CBD each year, including the cricket, once again massive crowds for all forms.
A rectangular stadium for soccer, could realistically be built to also service some rugby games in Adelaide and some mid crowd concerts, but soccer alone even if they were to double their attendances to around 20k per game (still unlikely as the AO has increased AFL attendances only by about 20-30%) , is not enough to justify the expense. Has there been even one sell-out game at Hindmarsh this year? I think an indoor tennis and basketball centre would be a far better more versatile, more compact and more marketable facility.

I agree, I think they should do Memorial Drive as well as a minor upgrade to Hindmarsh with more cover & better corporate facilities, likely in the realm of $10-20m. The current basketball arena is a joke to get to and should be the priority. Plus the ability to use it for basketball/netball/tennis and concerts smaller than the Entertainment Centre.

[Norman]

I guess the point being, that the phenomenal cost of the AO upgrade is justifiable in terms of even just AFL games some 900000 plus thousand per year over two clubs.- A huge bonus for the CBD that AO attracts over a million extra visitors into the CBD each year, including the cricket, once again massive crowds for all forms.
A rectangular stadium for soccer, could realistically be built to also service some rugby games in Adelaide and some mid crowd concerts, but soccer alone even if they were to double their attendances to around 20k per game (still unlikely as the AO has increased AFL attendances only by about 20-30%) , is not enough to justify the expense. Has there been even one sell-out game at Hindmarsh this year? I think an indoor tennis and basketball centre would be a far better more versatile, more compact and more marketable facility.

1. The cost for an upgraded Hindmarsh stadium would be a small fraction of the cost of the Adelaide Oval. Same with a new rectangular stadium in the city.
2. If average audiences doubled at Hindmarsh, the crowds would be 24,000. An increase to 20,000 would be a 65% increase. And that is for an average crowd.
3. Adelaide gets a lot of nom-members attending the games. The membership is only 8,500 this year but even their average attendance outpaces that. South Australians are parochial sport supporters, so if there is nothing else to do they will go out and watch a match.
4. There have been several sell-outs this year, most of the time they are games against Sydney, Melbourne Victory and finals (ACL, FFA Cup or A-League).

[Patrick_27]

Plus the ability to use it for basketball/netball/tennis and concerts smaller than the Entertainment Centre.

Tell me... Why the hell would you build a brand new arena only for it to live in the shadow of the Entertainment Centre? How about this... Build a new area with variable capacities (15,000/10,000/5,000) like Rod Laver Arena and Perth Arena, and CLOSE the Entertainment Centre. The more functions you can get out of an arena, the better the reasoning to do it. Furthermore, if the government were to incorporate Priceline Stadium (formerly ETSA Park) and the Entertainment Centre into one venue, there are two valuable parcels of land that could be sold to help fund a new arena. It's not rocket science.

[claybro]

Rod laver and Perth arena are not suitable for soccer. There are three major types of stadium required.
1. Large oval for AFL/Cricket, major events.
2. Rectangle slightly smaller 35000 capacity, outdoor pitch or retractable roof.
3. Indoor venue approx. 12000-15000 (can be partitioned off for smaller crowds) for tennis/ basketball/ concerts.
These venues can be built in close proximity as per the Melbourne example.
In Adelaide in the interim, Basketball could sell out of that ridiculous centre in Beverly and move to the Ent Cent tomorrow. ( A new indoor facility at Memorial drive would be nice)
Hindmarsh could be upgraded to 20000 with new corporate facilities without too much trouble.
Weather or not Adelaide needs a new rectangular venue at present is the main argument. (mainly by soccer fans) but I think rugby would need to be on board to make this viable. Ideally the state should be pushing for rugby to set up again in Adelaide with the view to a new arena long term.
Agree public transport to Hindmarsh/ Ent Centre is not Ideal, but maybe for now upgrading Bowden station and providing a better pedestrian path with pop up bars (Mary Street)? and frequent OH line trains on match days would help. No advertising of transport links to games is made wither, so most would have no clue even how to get there by train.

[skyliner]

So how many actually came to each of the two games that were back to back?

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[rev]

Then, even if Adelaide United won every home game, and soccer crowds DOUBLED to say 12000 per home game.......Now if Adelaide united go back to just a middle rung club, and there are a few "incidences" at the stadium or outside? Not a good bet if you ask me.

United averaged 11,287 this year, 12,644 last year, and 11,225 the year before that. The stadium has seats for 15,000 (along with 1,500 standing). I'm not sure what you mean by the crowds doubling as they can't in their current stadium. This is a much higher utilisation than port or crows last year at Footy Park (78% AUFC, 65% AFC, 52% PAFC).

There is plenty of justification to build a 25-35,000 seat rectangular stadium with the stands being covered by a roof, and an indoor venue(even with a retractable roof) with the ability to alter the configuration for what ever event is being held inside, be it tennis, netball, basketball or a concert.
Both could be built around Adelaide Oval, there's plenty of room there.
Parking would not be an issue, because of the centralized public transport options on the precincts door step. If it works for 40-50,000 people at AFL games, it will work even better for two smaller venues.
Given soccer, basketball and tennis(not sure about netball?), and cricket, you could have multiple events going at once in the same precinct.
Think Adelaide is buzzing when there's 50,000 footy fans in town? Imagine if there's soccer, tennis and cricket on simultaneously throughout the day/night.

We want to revitalize our city and breath more life and excitement into it? Adelaide Oval has done that, now the next step should be taken. And even more so now that United have won the double this year. Two years ago they won the FFA Cup as well mind you.
They'll be playing in the Asian Champions League next year. And we are going to 'showcase" the craphole Coopers yet again to millions and millions of viewers? What sort of advertisment is that for our fair city?

Some people just don't get it.
It's great that Port Adelaide is pushing into China to grow their pie. But that involves winning over people who don't even know how the game is played let alone how to actually kick a football.
"Soccer" is a ready made sport and winner, with billions of people around the world who are fans. Especially in China.
We want to attract more investment from abroad?
Think soccer isn't a tool to be used to attract more investment? Kochie isn't taking Port Adelaide into China because he wants to take over China with Aussie Rules. It's business. There's a reason why the Prime Minister was present while they signed an agreement for AFL.

A new stadium precinct centered on Adelaide Oval, with a rectangular stadium and multi purpose indoor facility, would not only liven up Adelaide, but would also be a great advertisement for the city and state.

[ghs]

It's been an amazing couple of years for Adelaide oval. The main events have included :

1. The Rolling Stones
2. World cup cricket match between India vs Pakistan with an estimated TV audience of 1 billion.
3. Word cup cricket Quarter final (Australia vs Pakistan)
4. AC / DC
5. Big Bash Match New years Eve 2015 / 2016 (3 sixes of the last 3 balls by Travis Head ).
6. The first ever day / night test match between Aus and NZ. (Total attendance of 123,000)
7. Adelaide United vs Liverpool
8. Adelaide Festival event by French pyrotechnic Groupe F
9. A-League Grand final

The state government has asked Leicester City if they would be interested in playing in Adelaide this year.
We could also see U2 at the oval early next year.

[Patrick_27]

Rod laver and Perth arena are not suitable for soccer. There are three major types of stadium required.
1. Large oval for AFL/Cricket, major events.
2. Rectangle slightly smaller 35000 capacity, outdoor pitch or retractable roof.
3. Indoor venue approx. 12000-15000 (can be partitioned off for smaller crowds) for tennis/ basketball/ concerts.
These venues can be built in close proximity as per the Melbourne example.
In Adelaide in the interim, Basketball could sell out of that ridiculous centre in Beverly and move to the Ent Cent tomorrow. ( A new indoor facility at Memorial drive would be nice)
Hindmarsh could be upgraded to 20000 with new corporate facilities without too much trouble.
Weather or not Adelaide needs a new rectangular venue at present is the main argument. (mainly by soccer fans) but I think rugby would need to be on board to make this viable. Ideally the state should be pushing for rugby to set up again in Adelaide with the view to a new arena long term.
Agree public transport to Hindmarsh/ Ent Centre is not Ideal, but maybe for now upgrading Bowden station and providing a better pedestrian path with pop up bars (Mary Street)? and frequent OH line trains on match days would help. No advertising of transport links to games is made wither, so most would have no clue even how to get there by train.

The state government own all the surrounding buildings to Hindmarsh Stadium; so the proposal of shifting the pitch south, extending the western stand sound and building new covered stands on the other three sides would probably make the most sense. If they were going to build a rectangular stadium in the vicinity of Adelaide Oval and Memorial drive (so that all our major sporting infrastructure is close-by,) I'd recommend the Women's and Children's Hospital site (when it becomes vacant.) Unfortunately some heritage buildings would be lost but it would spare any further parklands from being destroyed along that belt of parkland that separates the main CBD grid and North Adelaide. I agree with you all, though; it needs to happen and 25,000-30,000 would be the appropriate capacity (Melbourne have gotten by with a similar capacity for AAMI Park). Anything less than 25,000 and there wouldn't be much point building a new stadium but instead upgrading Hindmarsh.

[Goodsy]

does anyone have an adelaidenow subscription?



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[Norman]

Copy the link, go to Google, paste the link and click on the news story.

The report doesn't really contain any flesh, it's just another "what if...?". Pretty much just talks about how it could be used in the Commonwealth Games and the government saying that it can't be put where Adelaide Oval No. 2 is because it will have a running track or something like that.

[rev]

Bollocks it can't be built there.
We've got people living in space orbiting around the earth 16 times a day, and here in Adelaide we can't build a stadium over a lightly used oval and realign a nearby road if need be?
if we absolutely must try and get the commonwealth games(another 20years away mind you), then demolish the western stand and place it out a bit further and make it the same size as the eastern stand at least there'd be some uniformity then. And then slap a running track around it.
The only other alternative is a brand new stadium and it's going to have to have a capacity at least as big as Adelaide Oval.
Or is Adelaide oval wide enough for a temporary rubbing track to be put in while other events are held in the middle? Is there some guidelines for this stuff like there is with FIFA World Cup stadiums?

If the state government was smart and cunning they'd use the Commonweath games as a tool to push through infrastructure developments where there would otherwise be opposition. Even if the bid wasn't a serious bid.

I really can't believe that with the "redevelopment" of the riverbank that they aren't using the world famous Adelaide Oval as the centerpiece in a sporting precinct on that side of the Torrens.

Anyhow why is a business person talking up Adelaide making a bid for the Com. Games 20 years from now?
What's in it for him?

[Brando]

I'm more curious about the high rise buildings in the background... Maybe a part of the Commonwealth Games vision for the possible 'old' WCH?