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crawf · #1 Post by **crawf** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:06 pm

No shopping 'illogical'
LISA ALLISON
October 03, 2006 12:15am

ADELAIDE'S public holiday shopping issue flared yesterday, with the State Opposition labelling the central business district a "ghost town".

Opposition Leader Iain Evans said the Government's trade regulations limiting trading on public holidays were "illogical".
Mr Evans said shop closures in Rundle Mall robbed wages from employees and trade from shop owners.

"According to Mike Rann, if you want to go to a movie or buy a CD or a book it's OK," he said. "But if you want to go into the city to shop for a new refrigerator or TV then you'll have to wait until (today)." This was despite city hotels and restaurants being open.

He said the Government was "captive" to the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association.

Industrial Relations Minister Michael Wright said he had refused an application from Adelaide City Council for trading yesterday.

He said the application had been considered on its merit but he was obliged, under the Shop Trading Hours Act, to have regard for community consultation and whether an application undermined the intent of the Act.

#2 Post by **AtD** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:30 pm

Bring in 24hr supermarkets!

bdm · #3 Post by **bdm** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:49 pm

Better to leave them as they are.

I hate awkward trading hours; doesn't anyone give a damn that poor bastards are getting paid sweet f-a to stay up late and selling crap.

The CBD isn't a ghost town because of this.

crawf · #4 Post by **crawf** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:56 am

AtD wrote:Bring in 24hr supermarkets!

Adelaide already has a few 24hr supermarkets

But really the supermarket trading laws are a joke, supermarkets in the eastern states and even in regional sa are aloud to open till midnight 7 days week & public holidays, while here in little old adelaide they have to shut at 9pm Mon-Fri and a crazy 5pm on Saturday & Sunday and not even aloud to open on public holidays.

cmon rann, revamp these pathetic trading laws

bdm wrote:Better to leave them as they are.

I hate awkward trading hours; doesn't anyone give a damn that poor bastards are getting paid sweet f-a to stay up late and selling crap.

The CBD isn't a ghost town because of this.

I think workers get doubled payed or something to work in the wee hours.
From what i saw on 7news, the city looked pretty much like a ghosttown, its a bad look for tourists.

bdm · #5 Post by **bdm** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:14 am

Changing shopping hours won't make a difference when there's convenient suburban shopping centres to go to instead.

Like I said, it isn't a 'ghost town' because of the shopping hours. Sigh.

#6 Post by Al » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:12 am

Personally, I couldn't really understand the need for regulations on shopping hours in the first place. I've always thought that it should be up to the retaillers to decide if they want to open not if they could open. If there's no demand then the shops can stay closed. If they want to make the city attractive to potential new residents, they need to do something to give the city a little 'buzz' and those little 24/7 kwiky/seven-eleven type shops help but the bigger stores need to be open as well.

FYI, the Coles next the to the Central Markets is open nearly 24 hours - it closes at 9pm nightly and re-opens at midnight. Something to do with the rules again.

stelaras · #7 Post by **stelaras** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:00 am

derugulate the shopping hours.... only have anzac day, good friday easter sunday and christmas day as non shopping days....open the city up to 6pm every night and 9pm thursday and friday night.. 24hr supermarkets in the city...

thats the only way that the city will be revitalised with people doing what they love to do on a public holiday....shop!

Edgar · #8 Post by **Edgar** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:42 am

I think the only way to boom the economics in consumer spending is to open 365 days a week. Just like any Asian countries. I can't see the reason why we have to 'take a break from shopping' in the city during public holidays.

stelaras · #9 Post by **stelaras** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:31 am

i beg to differ BDM...I hate to bring the "M" word again..that's melbourne..

I live out in the burbs in melbourne..3 shopping complex equal to westfields arndale completely full on weekends...drive down the road to the smaller "centro" shopping centres also full.....drive into the city pay approx $3 for street parking and bourke st mall is chocca block full! walk to bridge road and the same applies..Granted there are 3 times as many people that live in melbourne than in Adelaide, but there are 3 times as many shops and shopping centres!

Fact is if you deregulate the hours people come out to shop, window shop..or enjoy a nice day out wandering about..maybe sit somewhere for a coffee..at the end of the day, whether they spend money or not..they are out and about and the city feels alive..

Edgar · #10 Post by **Edgar** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:12 pm

Yeah absolutely, I thought everyone here agrees in other discussion to bring the city to live, improve the public transportation. But what is the whole point when everything is closed in the city and nothing for the people to be at the city in the first place?

There is nothing other than shopping to keep people in the city on holidays.

bdm · #11 Post by **bdm** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:11 pm

A better solution to enliven the city would be a much more effective pubtrans system that funnelled people in from suburban hubs and shopping centres. Our lines and routes almost always miss the mark--as far as I know only the O-Bahn goes to a large suburban centre.

Our 'shopping shops' should close at a certain time, and then there should be pubs, clubs and bars in the city to take over until the shopping shops open again.

Public holidays should be excepted.

#12 Post by **AtD** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:24 pm

bdm: Well there's also train lines to large shopping centres in Elizabeth, Salisbury, Noarlunga and once the Oaklands Interchange is finished, you could, at a strech, say Marion too.

stelaras · #13 Post by **stelaras** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:27 pm

I agree a good public transport system would help. It works well here in melb with trams, buses and the metro in getting people to the city and out of it...
but i cant see how pubs clubs and bars are going to keep people in. Sure they are good for young people and singles but families that want to come into the city during the day are not necessarily going to go to a pub to spend their day. Im all for deregulation..as for the guys that run the shops...they get paid double time for sunday and public holiday work anyway, so there is no issue that i can see..

Another perhaps ambitious plan is to re-develop the torrens river/lake such that it is more family/entertainment friendly, wider walkways, lots of restaurants, perhaps a revamp of the railway station and extension to the casino (make it bigger and better..hehehe) and linked to a major stadium over the railyards perhaps, such that people are forced to go into the city after a big event! Follow the examples of larger cities that have their major sporting arenas in and aound the city centre..it seems to work for them, why not Adeladie! When i lived there i used to hate going to town from the footy, too much travel time.. just food for thought

#14 Post by **Will** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:35 pm

I think traders are allowed to remain open until 9:00 pm on weekdays, but few chose to do so because they feel that it would be ecnomically un-feasable.

I think that it would be a good idea to allow the CBD to trade on selected public holidays such as Queen's birthday, Labor day, and Adelaide cup. The suburban centres would remain closed, and thus if people need to shop they will have to visit the city. Hopefully people who do not visit the city will like it and continue to keep coming back. Because despite the costs associated with parking the variety of shops and the vibe of shopping in the city cannot be matched by the suburban malls.

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