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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3676 Post by Nathan » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:02 pm

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Rundle Mall Christmas decorations are going up at the moment. Of all the different incarnations of these displays have they stuck with the tackiest of the lot? Plastic Christmas trees, wooden cut outs of Christmas trees, a few fairy lights... It's pretty appalling when compared to elsewhere in Australia let alone the world.
No, there are cubes with window displays being placed all through the mall, each done by a different artist I believe. The plastic trees are only because they've tried real trees in the past, but they don't handle the heat and need constant replacing.

Remember, most Christmas displays you see around the world come alive in the dark, or at the very least, gloomier skies. When the mall is sun drenched well into the evening, of course extravagant lighting displays are going to be a lost cause.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3677 Post by Patrick_27 » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:22 am

Nathan wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:02 pm
Patrick_27 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:19 pm
Rundle Mall Christmas decorations are going up at the moment. Of all the different incarnations of these displays have they stuck with the tackiest of the lot? Plastic Christmas trees, wooden cut outs of Christmas trees, a few fairy lights... It's pretty appalling when compared to elsewhere in Australia let alone the world.
No, there are cubes with window displays being placed all through the mall, each done by a different artist I believe. The plastic trees are only because they've tried real trees in the past, but they don't handle the heat and need constant replacing.

Remember, most Christmas displays you see around the world come alive in the dark, or at the very least, gloomier skies. When the mall is sun drenched well into the evening, of course extravagant lighting displays are going to be a lost cause.
I realise this about the real Christmas trees, but replacing them with trees that look as though they were purchased from Kmart in the Boxing Day sales doesn't make for a better solution. As for the display boxes, a lot of them from recollection tend to be marketing gimmicks for local businesses advertising their Christmas range. There are other things they could be doing for daylight displays, they use to hang baubles up on the old Mall's lighting posts, where did they go? They also purchased a heap of hang down decorations once the new Mall was complete that hung from the lighting wire these made only one appearance and never came out again. They could also bring the Christmas tree on Victoria Square and set it up in Gawler Place instead. There are so many options but instead we get the same half-baked displays year in-year out.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3678 Post by ChillyPhilly » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:06 am

I'm not really fussed about the displays - Christmas is not celebrated by everyone, and is already over-commercialised as is.

Equally, I understand that the state's premier shopping destination - which does 60% of its trade in the final three months of the year - probably should have better decorations to reflect this.
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#3679 Post by SRW » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:11 pm

Council administration is now pushing the elected members to sign off on the east-west bikeway before the end of the year, after the transport department made clear the bleeding obvious: the money they put up in 2016 is not going to sit there forever.

Article over at InDaily:
'After years of delay, city council rushes to confirm east-west bikeway'

The suggested route now appears to be Wakefield to Franklin through a dogleg on Gawler Place.
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Of course, 1950s poster boy Clr Hyde has to the hide to shift the goalposts yet again saying council he doesn't want to sign off on a route before costs and design are sorted (despite design and costs having been ascertained for previous route he rejected).

As for the route, IMO, fine. Wakefield has better connections to the east than Flinders, and Franklin is as good a connection west as any. And an interface with Gawler Place was essential anyway, and will hopefully prompt future further upgrades. But for now, get on with it.

(Tbh, I've always been somewhat apprehensive about Franklin/Flinders as I rate them a better potential tram route than Grote/Wakefield)
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#3680 Post by Nathan » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:25 pm

I think the dogleg is a dumb concession that introduces problems and solves nothing. Instead of being able to ride straight through the intersection, riders will instead have to do a right hand turn across multi lane roads. Even if space is made to do this safely, it still adds at a minimum an additional half cycle of lights.

Who on Flinders St, between Gawler Pl and Pulteney, are they clearly so scared off?

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#3681 Post by Eurostar » Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:24 am

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I think the dogleg is a dumb concession that introduces problems and solves nothing. Instead of being able to ride straight through the intersection, riders will instead have to do a right hand turn across multi lane roads. Even if space is made to do this safely, it still adds at a minimum an additional half cycle of lights.

Who on Flinders St, between Gawler Pl and Pulteney, are they clearly so scared off?
I suspect many riders will continue straight or turn if they need to.

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#3682 Post by SBD » Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:22 pm

Eurostar wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:24 am
Nathan wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:25 pm
I think the dogleg is a dumb concession that introduces problems and solves nothing. Instead of being able to ride straight through the intersection, riders will instead have to do a right hand turn across multi lane roads. Even if space is made to do this safely, it still adds at a minimum an additional half cycle of lights.

Who on Flinders St, between Gawler Pl and Pulteney, are they clearly so scared off?
I suspect many riders will continue straight or turn if they need to.
The parents with kids and less-confident riders will use the separated bikeway. It might encourage some people to ride who think it is too scary or dangerous now. People who ride those roads now probably won't change their route, so motorists who complain of cyclists on those roads between Pulteney and King William Streets will continue to complain, as there will be cyclists on the "car lanes" on both streets.

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#3683 Post by Nathan » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:00 pm

Can we also mention that for those riders that do want the completely safe route and follow the dogleg, that they'll be sent down a shared contraflow street that provides access for a multi-level carpark with 2 lanes in and 2 lanes out (and a line of loading zones and 15min parking on the other side).

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#3684 Post by mshagg » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:47 am

So westbound will be dumped at a dead end on west terrace? Not to mention a right hand turn across Wakefield St for the dog leg completely undermines the point of an east-west route.

Only these clowns could come up with something so ridiculous.

Im guessing there's some vocal "ratepayers" in 81 Flinders.

As for driver's month, clearly the administration is so utterly embarrassed by the backwards elected reps on council that you have to go out of your way to find a mention of it on the website.

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#3685 Post by Nort » Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:01 pm

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So westbound will be dumped at a dead end on west terrace?
There's a bike crossing there that joins the bike path in the Western parkland and is already a popular route for cyclists. The other criticisms are definitely odd, but that part makes sense.

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#3686 Post by Nathan » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:52 pm

Yeah, I don't have any issue with the dead end at West Tce. It's a signalised intersection, and can lead straight into the parklands. Perhaps they can improve the paths from there to feed into and out of both Sir Donald Bradman Dr and Glover Tce.

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#3687 Post by SRW » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:18 pm

Looks like RCC will be returning to Victoria Square after a troubling run at Adelaide Uni. It has different owners to when last in the the square, so I wonder if that's helped overcome the nitpickers among the elected members who chased them out last time. Consultation here: https://yoursay.cityofadelaide.com.au/r ... ntanyangga
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#3688 Post by Nathan » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:04 pm

So council is pressing ahead with the bike lane dogleg route, and I was correct that it's to avoid pissing off someone, namely a bunch of law firms on Flinders St who threatened to sue the council if they lost street parking spaces outside their properties.

The council needs to grow a backbone and tell them to fuck off. The roads and street parking are public space and owned by the council, and these firms have no more right to them than anyone else.

Also, fuck the Advertiser who are pitching it as the number of carparks that are lost and highlighting sections as "the worst hit areas".
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Adelaide City Council asked to approve $5.8m East-West Bikeway route through Adelaide CBD
The preferred route for a new $5.8m CBD bikeway route has been revealed – and it means 170 fewer street car parks

The proposed route of a $5.8m Adelaide CBD bikeway has been designed as a dog-leg to avoid potential legal action by business owners.

Staff have suggested the much debated East-West Bikeway should go from West Tce along Franklin Street into Flinders Street, then into Gawler Place and on to Wakefield Street.

The preferred design – presented to elected members on Tuesday night – avoids cyclists going past several businesses on Flinders Street, including law firms, which threatened to sue the council if they lost parking spaces outside their properties.

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Instead cyclists will have to make right turns from Flinders and Wakefield streets into Gawler Place, which will be converted from an one-way street for vehicles into shared two-way use by bicycles.

Staff have ruled out three other possible routes to connect West Tce with South Tce by putting bike lanes and cyclist crossings on Grote Street to Wakefield Street, Franklin Street to Flinders Street or Waymouth Street to Pirie Street.

All angle parking along the route will be replaced with parallel parking, resulting in the loss of 170 spaces near small businesses, three hotels, two schools and two churches.

One of the worst hit areas will be near the intersection of Franklin St and West Tce, where the Greek Orthodox Church and St Mary’s College will lose between 60-80 car parking spaces.

A staff report said the council already had been granted two time extensions and would have to seek another to enable consultation to occur and design work to be completed.

“The Department for Infrastructure and Transport advised that a further extension of time may be possible under certain circumstances,” it said.

“These circumstances may include a requirement that construction works have substantially commenced. Discussions are ongoing.”

The staff report suggested the project could be expedited if the council limited consultation to telling property owners about the bikeway’s impact on street parking, then complete final designs and start construction before June.

“(Council would then) undertake a broad engagement process once the bikeway is in place to proactively gain feedback from all street users and stakeholders,” it said.

“(There would) be ongoing feedback loop to make adjustments to the bikeway as needed.”

Cr Anne Moran said the council had chosen the route because it had succumbed to pressure from businesses on Flinders St, including law firms.

“I know why we are doing this and it has nothing to do with what staff are saying,” she said.

“It is because of intense political lobbying.

“This dog leg is a dog leg and it is a dog of an idea.”

Lord Mayor Sandy Verschoor agreed the proposed route had been chosen to avoid Flinders Street “because the lobbying was so intense”.

Ms Verschoor expressed concern about the lack of consultation, saying it appeared only stakeholders losing car parking would be involved.

“I’ve already had calls from people who aren’t talking about the route, it is more the fact nobody has spoken to them,” she said.

Asked by Cr Alexander Hyde if it was a case of “choose first and ask people what they think later”, chief executive Mark Goldstone told the meeting broader consultation would delay a start to the project – and threaten the grant money.

“There hasn’t been a wholesale engagement process undertaken because this is the only way to achieve the delivery of the project within the timeframe,” he said.

“The last time we asked for an extension there was commentary around that we really needed to get on and deliver the project.

“We have identified the route, we have determined it is the most appropriate and we will be moving forward with that route.

“We will consult as we progress with the design.”

Elected members have been asked to approve the route at the council’s next monthly meeting on December 15.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3689 Post by [Shuz] » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:11 pm

Council should save themselves $5.8m and scrap the bikeway plans. This is such a half arsed attempt. Do it right or don't do it at all.
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#3690 Post by Kasey771 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:36 am

[Shuz] wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:11 pm
Council should save themselves $5.8m and scrap the bikeway plans. This is such a half arsed attempt. Do it right or don't do it at all.
What am embarrassment for the ACC.
Federal govt: "Hey we'll fund an East/West separated bikeway - all you have to do is select a route and pay for the design work."
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