[CAN] 20-22 Currie St | 123m | 31lvls | Office

[Wayno]

Applications for consideration on Merit.
6. ITEM NO. 3.1 - 20-22 CURRIE STREET, 27-37 GILBERT PLACE, 22-28
PEEL STREET, ADELAIDE SA 5000, PLAN NO. DA/876/2007 [DA]
(F/DA/0876/2007, RR)
Mr D K Dyson, representor, addressed the Panel in relation to the application and
also responded to a question from a Panel Member.
Mr J Stimson, Connor Holmes on behalf of the applicant – Lilly Nominees Pty Ltd,
addressed the Panel in relation to the application and also responded to questions
from Panel Members.
Discussion ensued.
It was then -
Moved by Councillor WILKINSON,
Seconded by Councillor HENNINGSEN -
That the development, the subject of the application from Lilly Nominees P/L to
demolish the existing buildings and construct 31 level office tower with on site
carparking, gym, pool, creche and restaurant on top floor at 20-22 Currie Street, 27-
37 Gilbert Place, 22-28 Peel Street, Adelaide SA 5000 as shown on plans designated
2658
City of Adelaide Development Assessment Panel Meeting - Minutes - 21 January 2008
DA/876/2007 be DEFERRED to enable the applicant to incorporate the retention of
the existing streetscape frontages in Gilbert Place and Peel Street.
Discussion continued.
The motion was then put and carried.

Here's an extract from the ACC's Jan 21 DAP minutes. The approval(?) decision was deferred "to enable the applicant to incorporate the retention of existing streetscape..."

Does this mean retention of the existing buildings is mandatory?

[The Proboscis Monkey]

City Messenger report on DAP deferral:
http://www.citymessenger.com.au/article ... _news.html

[Edgar]

Applications for consideration on Merit.
6. ITEM NO. 3.1 - 20-22 CURRIE STREET, 27-37 GILBERT PLACE, 22-28
PEEL STREET, ADELAIDE SA 5000, PLAN NO. DA/876/2007 [DA]
(F/DA/0876/2007, RR)
Mr D K Dyson, representor, addressed the Panel in relation to the application and
also responded to a question from a Panel Member.
Mr J Stimson, Connor Holmes on behalf of the applicant – Lilly Nominees Pty Ltd,
addressed the Panel in relation to the application and also responded to questions
from Panel Members.
Discussion ensued.
It was then -
Moved by Councillor WILKINSON,
Seconded by Councillor HENNINGSEN -
That the development, the subject of the application from Lilly Nominees P/L to
demolish the existing buildings and construct 31 level office tower with on site
carparking, gym, pool, creche and restaurant on top floor at 20-22 Currie Street, 27-
37 Gilbert Place, 22-28 Peel Street, Adelaide SA 5000 as shown on plans designated
2658
City of Adelaide Development Assessment Panel Meeting - Minutes - 21 January 2008
DA/876/2007 be DEFERRED to enable the applicant to incorporate the retention of
the existing streetscape frontages in Gilbert Place and Peel Street.
Discussion continued.
The motion was then put and carried.

Here's an extract from the ACC's Jan 21 DAP minutes. The approval(?) decision was deferred "to enable the applicant to incorporate the retention of existing streetscape..."

Does this mean retention of the existing buildings is mandatory?

Sounds like they make it mandatory, but it could be deferred based on the fact that they want a new proposal of what it would be like if they were to retain the existing buildings. my

[Shuz]

Having inspected the site today, I see absolutely NO reason whatsoever as to why they want to retain any of the 'heritage' properties. They are shamefully distasteful, dilapidated and contribute to making the streetscape look ugly. I think the current proposal would enhance the area much moreso than the way these buildings currently do.

[Hippodamus]

Shuz you obviously have no creativeness by the sounds of things.

It's amazing what a small thing like a paint job can do sometimes to a building. older buildings renovated can be far more attractive and appealing than modern glass facades. i can't be even bothered getting into this with narrow minded people like you, so please refer to my last submission on the last page.

get a life

[frank1]

Incorporate the two structures, like they did with the myer center on north terrace (love that facade). It satisfies both of you.

[Pikey]

Shuz you obviously have no creativeness by the sounds of things.

It's amazing what a small thing like a paint job can do sometimes to a building. older buildings renovated can be far more attractive and appealing than modern glass facades. i can't be even bothered getting into this with narrow minded people like you, so please refer to my last submission on the last page.

get a life

Contender for over-reaction of the year.

He gave an opinion - no need to bust a valve.

[Shuz]

LOL. Definite over-reaction methinks. Photo taken by me.



Does this look worthy of preservation to anyone? Can someone please highlight to me what is so 'heritageable' about these properties to make them worthwhile of keeping?

[Brando]

^^^^Does anyone know if these buildings are occupied or not?
My initial reaction was of disappointment with the DAP, but now thinking about it, something really really great with an 'European' feel about it could be done with this laneway. We are always talking about revitalising our laneways. Maybe, as mentioned with a bit of imagination this laneway could become a vibrant area and yet still have this awesome tower above us. It's not all that bad, but ahving said that will this laneway be kept as a open for traffic forthe new building?
Would be great to see widening of the footpath, new shop fronts at ground level with older looking, more intimate restaurants, outside dining etc. Much potential

[Tyler_Durden]

Does this look worthy of preservation to anyone? Can someone please highlight to me what is so 'heritageable' about these properties to make them worthwhile of keeping?

It does to me. It's an interesting lane and it has an intimate feel. I definately think those buildings have a lot to offer. The street is obviously underutilised at present but it wouldn't take much for that to turn around. A restaurant and or pub or two would so wonders for the street. Adelaide should really strive to retain the interesting feel of some of these small streets and laneways as we really don't have a lot like it. The last thing Adelaide needs is to be overrun with generic modern highrises at the expense of character.

[Wayno]

I was in Dubai recently for work. HEAPS of skyscrapers, HEAPS of civic buildings/areas - but NO character...I felt like i was walking around in a sterile hospital environment. I strongly agree with keeping Adelaide's quaint little laneways and i'm confident Lilly Nominess will be back in front of the ACC very soon with a sensitively revised proposal

[Hippodamus]

ok, maybe a bit of a harsh over reaction shuz, but perhpas a valid one at that

it appears that everyone who responded to your last post see some significance in keeping these buildings. who ever said that we must keep only 'heritage' listed buildings or ones that have 'heritage' appeal. i hate that 'heritage' word, it implies so much yet is so narrow. people's minds go straight to the typical 1880's style of edwardian architecture... preservation of architecture means so much more than that! what about preservations of streetscape and urban realm? there are other intersting buildings worth keeping, and this lane way holds some of them.

[Brando]

ok, maybe a bit of a harsh over reaction shuz, but perhpas a valid one at that

it appears that everyone who responded to your last post see some significance in keeping these buildings. who ever said that we must keep only 'heritage' listed buildings or ones that have 'heritage' appeal. i hate that 'heritage' word, it implies so much yet is so narrow. people's minds go straight to the typical 1880's style of edwardian architecture... preservation of architecture means so much more than that! what about preservations of streetscape and urban realm? there are other intersting buildings worth keeping, and this lane way holds some of them.

Hippodamus, i don't agree with half of some of these so called heriatge listed buildings, but can't you see the potential for a quiet, intimate, secluded laneway here that can, if done right, have a real personal feel about it. Not a glass modernistic everyday touch to it. We all agree this development has to go ahead, but we can really create something unique at ground level here, a gem hidden from KWS.

[fast_forward]

Im new to all this, but does anyone know what was proposed for this this laneway? The photos of what is there now dont seem to offer much for an active street. They are nice buildings, but if they are to stay, there will be very little interaction between the new building and this little street because these facades have small openings and very pokey little windows. If they stay they need to be able to be opened up to allow an active streetscape.

[AtD]

fast_foward: http://www.adelaidecitycouncil.com/Netc ... Part_2.pdf There's elevations that include the surrounding building from page 12 onwards.

Also I noticed in the above document, there's a bike lock up with 200 spaces and a water storage tank.