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Re: Hewett: New Residential Area

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:54 pm
by urban
monotonehell wrote: But no it's cheaper to grade a paddock and install some plumbing.
Not only that but the council and govt provide the other services and infrastructure (recently estimated at anywhere between $20k & $80k per block). Developer pisses off with the money while the govt & council are left with long term liabilities and the residents suffer from the resulting social isolation and sedentary lifestyle caused by poor planning.

End of rant.

Re: Hewett: New Residential Area

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:57 am
by Ash-SV6
Wow Hewitt is really coming under flak here, but I'm with rhino and cruise and don't think the suburb is a bad development, after all I'm sure the majority of people living there work in the local area (Gawler, Barossa or lower north such as at the bottle factory just up the road).

While I'd also like to see more high density living in the inner suburbs, I don't see why there should be a restriction on housing estates outside the metro region. After all the Barossa and Gawler regions have had strong job growth over the last decade and these estates cater to that demand by allowing people to live closer to where they work, and bring up a family on a reasonable block of land, all of which relieves pressure on inner suburbs housing.

As for house designs looking dated, thats maybe because most of those houses were built around 1998.

Re: Hewett: New Residential Area

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:09 am
by rhino
monotonehell wrote: It can't be much worse than Andrew's Farm...
Looking at Norman's photos, Hewett looks like much lower density than Andrews Farm. And, just for the record, there is medium density housing on the urban fringe (Andrews Farm is one place), and the cost of a medium density allotment out there is pretty much the same as a slightly larger (medium-low density)allotment in neighbouring Munno Para Downs. Some people want to live in a low density area, for reasons I have stated several times in other threads. They should be allowed this. In the main, they accept that they have to put up with less services, and weigh this against the space they have around them. They don't all live there because they have no choice, as Ash has explained.

Re: Hewett: New Residential Area

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:30 pm
by Shuz
Looks just like the mass mediocrity of repetitive housing designs just like you witness at Seaford and Aldinga.

Bleurgh.

Re: Hewett: New Residential Area

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:34 pm
by Bulldozer
Cruise wrote:people can live where they want, you wouldnt even look at Hewitt or Freeling if you wanted to live in an apartment, some people want space (at the cost of less services) that's life
By the looks of the photos it looks like any generic suburb from the last 15-20 years. Small blocks, cheap houses, no trees and huge summer electricity bills. The absurd thing is that someone who lives in a city apartment probably has more accessible open space within walking distance than someone in a suburb - hundreds of hectares of parkland.

Re: Hewett: New Residential Area

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:04 pm
by Cruise
Bulldozer wrote:
Cruise wrote:people can live where they want, you wouldnt even look at Hewitt or Freeling if you wanted to live in an apartment, some people want space (at the cost of less services) that's life
By the looks of the photos it looks like any generic suburb from the last 15-20 years. Small blocks, cheap houses, no trees and huge summer electricity bills. The absurd thing is that someone who lives in a city apartment probably has more accessible open space within walking distance than someone in a suburb - hundreds of hectares of parkland.
but those parklands don't belong to them, although some may think they do....

#H/D: Adelaide Saltpans | ~80,000h | 4000ha

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:33 am
by fishinajar
Adelaide Advertiser Thursday 8 May 08, page 11.
Adelaide's northern saltpans will be sold for housing and offices as part of an $80 million national windfall for its owners.
Ridley Corporation yesturday anounced it would shift its salt production from land in Queensland, Victoria and South Australia - including 4000ha north of Dry Creek - to less valuable land over four years.
Commercial property agency Savills valued the offering at more than $80 million but Ridley would not disclose the value it had placed on its SA holdings.
Ridley Corporation finance director Ian Walton said it would be misleading to put a value on the Dry Creek area because the plan was still subject to further work.
"A lot of the area is currently underwater so there is a lot of work to get behind before it can be released...That area will not be developed for a long time," he said.
The company's holdings extend from Cavan in the south to Buckland Park in the north - nearly 50km of coast and 4000ha in the city's fastest-growing region.
While property values remain below the country's median house price, a masterplan development could add substantial value and release land into a land-hungry market. Dry Creeks median house price increased 3 per cent to $200,000 last year. L J Hooker agent Cynthia Sajkunovic said any residential development in the area would be a boon for first home buyers.
"Affordable housing only 15 minutes from the city will give first home buyers an excellent opportunity," she said.
"It might not be their first choice but it is an excellent stepping stone into the real estate market."
But Australian Contaminated Land Consultants Association state president Steve Kiranovs said whoever was developing the site would first have to prove it was fit for use".

Re: Adelaide's saltpans make way for housing and offices

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:56 am
by Ho Really
Yes, is it fit for use? Isn't there a possibility it can be flooded by saltwater?

Cheers

Re: Adelaide's saltpans make way for housing and offices

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:28 am
by fishinajar
Ho Really wrote:Yes, is it fit for use? Isn't there a possibility it can be flooded by saltwater?

Cheers
As I understand it, the whole area is just below sea level (ie 0.5-2m) I'm not sure how much. The land would have to be reclaimed-soil added to raise to above sea level. This will obviously have a cost attached, which would be why it has not been proposed until now (now that land prices have elevated to a point at which the land can be reclaimed and a profit made.

What makes this idea so exciting is that this area is a corridor leading from the cbd that comes in contact with existing rail lines. This would be a huge opportunity to plan new communities based around a light/heavy rail transport system.

Re: Adelaide's saltpans make way for housing and offices

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:59 am
by Ho Really
fishinajar wrote:
Ho Really wrote:Yes, is it fit for use? Isn't there a possibility it can be flooded by saltwater?

Cheers
As I understand it, the whole area is just below sea level (ie 0.5-2m) I'm not sure how much. The land would have to be reclaimed-soil added to raise to above sea level. This will obviously have a cost attached, which would be why it has not been proposed until now (now that land prices have elevated to a point at which the land can be reclaimed and a profit made.

What makes this idea so exciting is that this area is a corridor leading from the cbd that comes in contact with existing rail lines. This would be a huge opportunity to plan new communities based around a light/heavy rail transport system.
I reckon they are wasting their time (and money). Build up (2 to 5 storeys) along existing inner city rail corridors and through in a few green spaces here and there.

Cheers

Re: Adelaide's saltpans make way for housing and offices

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:30 pm
by Norman
Lucky for them, they already have significant road infrastructure near them (PREXY, SH, SR, NC...)

Re: Adelaide's saltpans make way for housing and offices

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:47 pm
by bm7500
This housing estate could be much lager than Mawson Lakes if it goes ahead

Image

Re: Adelaide's saltpans make way for housing and offices

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:59 pm
by Shuz
Thats a large amount of land, I'm assuming we're talking about the white area?

Significant transport infrastructure is in place, is already serviced by an expressway, and nearby heavy rail, will have new Port Wakefield freeway & freight rail route. Should be no hassle gettting this off the ground, minus the fact that its below sea-level.

I would optimally love for the project to incorporate a lot of green space and wetlands with 2-3 'town centres' - ala Mawson Lakes. The soil used to create the wetlands could be used to elevate the suburbia above sea level, but then make it mandatory for all the recreational parks and sporting fields to remain below sea-level, incase of flooding where they can be utilised as a stormwater/floodwater catchment.

Re: Adelaide's saltpans make way for housing and offices

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:00 pm
by jk1237
it could be the next West Lakes - North Lakes. I thought all that land was crown land - you learn something new everyday

Re: Adelaide's saltpans make way for housing and offices

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:47 pm
by Cam
Two issues which I would like to know for this development:
1> Impact on nearby mangroves as they are vital fish breeding grounds.
2> Mosquitoes http://www.deltaenvironmental.com.au/ar ... ltwetl.htm