ONH: [Port Adelaide] Newport Quays | $1.2b

[AtD]

alfer, once the new bridge over the Port River is built, there probably won't be any (or as much) freight traffic past there, both road and rail.

Anyway, from today:

[Norman]

Awesome pics there. I hope the stumps in the water will get removed.

[alfer7_3]

Cheers AtD,
that'll make it alot better then not having freight trains go past. thanks for the photos this developments is really starting to take shape.

[stumpjumper]

I wonder about the posters here sometimes. At times, theis forum seems to eb a cheer sqaud for the erection of new buildings, anywhere and under any circumstances? Is development really that simple?

What I wanted to say was that while it's true that there have not been many houses in the parts of Glanville, Ethelton, Birkenhead etc which Newport Quays wants renamed New Port, there have been businesses with those suburban addresses operating in the area - the shipyards, sailing club etc.

So the aereas do have a history.

While denying that an enclave would be created, Minister Foley and the developers have pushed the exclusivity of the development - membership of the exclusive residential club, etc etc.

Now they want to cut the development away from the nasty, working class connotations of the 150 year old suburbs they stand in, just as Minsiter Foley high tailed it to the tree-lined sanctuary of Adelaide's Eastern suburbs as soon as his income would allow it.

I assume that if Foley and the developers were in charge at the appropriate time that they would rename The Rocks in Sydney, a notorious haunt of the lower classes, but now sporting some of the most expensive real estate in Australia. 'Opera House View', perhaps? Or 'Harbour Bridge Waters'?

What would they do with Woolloomooloo, a particularly grimy suburb, full of riff raff. Notwithstanding the present celebrity millionaire owners of apartments at the Finger Wharf development, would they have renamed that suburb something generic like 'Infinity Waters'?

What about Williamstown in Melbourne, Battery Point in Hobart - places once synonymous with the unhorsed and bootless, but which now are million dollar addresses?

Do we change our history just because some little jerk of a real eastate salesman and a big jerk of a Deputy Premier are getting scared they mightn't sell their development fast enough?

Whatever the objections, we'll have to take what they give us. Foley considers himself and his government bulletproof, and has in any case more or less bonded with the Newport Quays developers.

The developers condiser that the ancient and divine right of money gives them the power to call the shots, democracy, councils or no.

So, farewell to another part of the Port's history and the future benefit to the whole community of that history. Better give a developer his cash now.

What's that? Isn't it the job of the government to ensure that what happens is in the long term interests of the community?

Not in this case. As I said, Foley got into bed with these developers long ago. He's being conned, of course, he's not really their type, but then Kev's not that bright either.

[JAKJ]

So, farewell to another part of the Port's history and the future benefit to the whole community of that history. Better give a developer his cash now.
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Have you been to Port Adelaide recently? Or does your only concept of the port come from romanticised paintings circa 1900? Have you seen the areas that are being developed? They are utterly disgusting... the port's historical "hay day" ended almost 100 years ago... i think you are a little too late to the nostalgia party... But you are right, there is HISTORY in the delapatated port river shoreline, the crumbling buildings of little merit and the filth... Lets not follow the rest of the world's developed cities, including Sydney, Melbourne, Shanghai, London, etc and leave our Port Adelaide just the way it is for fear of destroying its "history". The fact is that mismanagement and commercial decline have already destroyed large parts of the port's history, in particular the port river, leaving it a dirty dingy dump, and now it is time to reclaim our Port back!

[how_good_is_he]

Without this development Port Adelaide would remain a shit hole. No other govt or developer has been willing to do anything previously over many decades. Why? Maybe because they thought it was beyond hope.

Why not actually thank them for trying to do something and having a vision to try to bring life back into a ghost town.

As for the name debate- there are as many examples of name changes which have worked and which have gone on to create their own history ie Mawson Lakes from The Levels/Pooraka, Robina [QLD] from Merrimac, even Surfers Paradise's name was originally Elston.

Have you ever thought that people who invest their hard earned money and now want to live there want the suburb name changed [mainly to increase the values]. Don't the property owners have rights also?

[bmw boy]

Whats going on? People want to change the name to just "New Port" ??

[shuza]

Yeah, like Newport Beach, California.

Hopeless idiots.

[jimmy_2486]

Without this development Port Adelaide would remain a shit hole.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Port Adelaide is in a perfect position to be something really big for Adelaide if we stop thinking of it as some dingy historic place that should be preserved, and start thinking of it as something new and exciting.

If you could stop and picture its old crappy builidings knocked down and replaced with ultra modern buildings (like docklands, maybe smaller) and night clubs pumping, top cafes/resturants, a massive shopping precent, homemaker centre etc, it will be a much better place.

It could be like marion mixed with glenelg but much more nicer (and this comes from someone who lives in marion lol).

As marion and port adelaide are tipped to be the next set of major outer cbd areas, something needs to be done with those disgusting buildings, and id say converting them into commercial office space/retail/dining areas should be an option. This will give the north a CBD away from the city.

Same goes with marion also, alot of residential area around oaklands park i reckon should be converted into commercial in the distant future, (not now abviously) to give the south a CBD away from the city when the adelaide cbd gets too big.

[bmw boy]

haha... sum OC fans

[Tom]

Well I think there has to be a balance between Heritage and Development. There is a lot of heritage around the port despite what some people hear have said, a lot of these buildings that really give the area a feel could be converted into modern apartments while keeping heritage aspects like the old Lion Flour Mill or all those Wool Store Buildings.

I must however throw my support in that the Boat builders should not be forced to relocate against their will. Oh and those stumps normangerman are no doubt part of the old wharf, why remove them?

They stand as a reminder to what used to be a busy part of the port, just up from here next to this development there is a ship graveyard with mangroves would you also like this removed because it may look ugly???
Oh and once the Opening Bridge are completed, the Rosewater loop will close and hence there won’t be ANY freight trains operating past here.

[shaun]

Yeah, like Newport Beach, California.

Hopeless idiots.

Eh, I thought they wanted to change it to "Newport Quays"

[Bulldozer]

Well I think there has to be a balance between Heritage and Development. There is a lot of heritage around the port despite what some people hear have said, a lot of these buildings that really give the area a feel could be converted into modern apartments while keeping heritage aspects like the old Lion Flour Mill or all those Wool Store Buildings.

Teneriffe in Brisbane is a wonderful example of converting lovely big old brick warehouse buildings into apartments and an upmarket area. It's even waterfront too!

[stumpjumper]

One of the many problems facing Port Adelaide is the fact that redevelopment to maximise advantage for cultural tourism is a slow process with many stakeholders. It's also financially complex.

However, the return from cultural tourism is usually greater and accrues to more people over a longer time than the one off profit a developer takes.

Unfortunately, the community at large has no-one acting in its interest - the government should but is a co-developer and Foley has been captured by the 'developer's equation' and the 'developer's priorities'.

The developer wnat to be in and out quickly and wants to take his profit with him. There is no time in his operation to wait for the benefits of cultural tourism to grow. Housing is the quickest takeup for a place like the Port at the moment, so housing it is. Someone else can wory about the infrastructure to support it.

And the local and wider community? What's it got to do with them???

[Ho Really]

You are right stumpjumper. That's the sadest thing about this development at Port Adelaide.

Cheers