[U/C] M2 North-South Motorway

[aceman]

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... d662f0face

Apparently the first houses have been demolished.
Not sure its worth the read, probably more whinging and crying behind the pay wall

is the article referring to the houses at St Marys?

[rev]

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... d662f0face

Apparently the first houses have been demolished.
Not sure its worth the read, probably more whinging and crying behind the pay wall

is the article referring to the houses at St Marys?

Don't know it's behind the pay wall and all the fancy work arounds have stopped working.

[ralmin]

St Marys is on the eastern side of South Rd. These properties are on the western side, which is Clovelly Park. The article says "Upwards of 10 homes and businesses have already been knocked down ... of a total 64 properties to be acquired for the project at Clovelly Park".

[cocoiadrop]

Article doesn't do much than the basic emotional appeal stuff.

[Llessur2002]

Major changes to the Torrens to Darlington reference design revealed in ‘draft’ Transport Department website

More property acquisitions and removal of both elevated roadways are among major changes to the whole of the Torrens to Darlington reference design, a “draft” Transport Department website shows.

The start of construction has been pushed back from 2024 to 2025, while the first tunnel-boring machine will start tunnelling in 2026. The project’s completion date has also been delayed another year to 2032.

The The website - which was published on the government’s network but was only discoverable through an advanced Google search - was hurriedly locked down within 15 minutes of The Advertiser publishing this story.

As of 10.45am on Monday, visitors are now told they have to sign in to access the content.

It reveals a departmental review commissioned by Labor shortly after the state election has recommended three “significant changes” to the reference design.

At the Anzac Hwy intersection, the elevated right-hand turn ramp has been removed “in response to clear community feedback”, and a second northbound exit ramp has been added at ground level to reduce traffic.

“This solution significantly reduces the number of trees which need to be removed but does result in more property acquisition,” the site says.

It does not specify exactly where or how many extra homes will need to be acquired.


An image uploaded onto the draft DIT website shows the Anzac Hwy intersection with no elevated road.

At the northern end of the northern tunnel, near Brickworks Marketplace at West Hindmarsh, the review recommends moving the road east to take South Rd southbound over the corner of the Hindmarsh cemetery.

That would facilitate the removal of the elevated road “in response to community feedback about the visual impact of this part of the design”.

“This allows some parcels of residential land in Jervois Ave to no longer be required for acquisition but does require additional industrial land acquisition on the eastern side of South Rd,” the site says.

At the southern end, where Clovelly Park homes have already been demolished to make way for the project, the end of the tunnel would be moved 400m to the north.

That shift, the site says, would simplify construction and improve safety by “reducing the traffic weave” for vehicles emerging from the Darlington section of the North-South Motorway.

The site’s homepage is marked “draft”, some pages are password protected or appear incomplete, and it is not accessible through the rest of the DIT site.

It does not reveal the updated cost estimate for the project, which is believed to have blown out to about $14bn.

A Frequently Asked Questions page says the review has taken into account community feedback on the Liberals’ reference design, which was released in November last year.

But further work is required, including more community consultation, before an updated design to the same level of detail can be provided.

“As part of this process, the project will engage with local communities to gain their insights about how the design changes affect their neighbourhoods,” the site says.

“While the core elements of the project design — such as the tunnel lengths and portal locations — are confirmed, these local insights will be used in this Reference Design development.”

Following the engagement process, the project team will review the feedback and return to the community in early 2023 with details on “what we have heard and how it is being considered as part of the design development process”.

A Project Assessment Report will be made available for public feedback in the third quarter of 2023, the site says.

Asked on Sunday when the review would be completed, Premier Peter Malinauskas said: “We’ve been honest about this from the start, we’re going to have this piece of work completed by the end of the year”.

From: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... dc480067ab

[SBD]

Be careful what you wish for: residents didn't want to have to live near a bridge, so their house will be bulldozed to make space for more lanes leading to traffic lights.

The state's new attitude to heritage means that the heritage-listed cemetery can have a road built over part of it.

[rev]

Terrible.

[SBD]

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Terrible.

What counts as "Adelaide's Road Network" that 15% of it has a speed limit permitting travel above 50km/h? Residential streets are limited to 50km/h, and often not suitable for that anyway. Is a "free-flow travel speed" what you get at 2am when there are no other vehicles in sight?

[Vasco]

Be careful what you wish for: residents didn't want to have to live near a bridge, so their house will be bulldozed to make space for more lanes leading to traffic lights.

The state's new attitude to heritage means that the heritage-listed cemetery can have a road built over part of it.

Rightly or wrongly, some people would rather not live next to the bridge and be acquired at current market rate than either have to stay in the shadows of the bridge or try and sell to a private party who will be buying with that in mind.


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[SBD]

Be careful what you wish for: residents didn't want to have to live near a bridge, so their house will be bulldozed to make space for more lanes leading to traffic lights.

The state's new attitude to heritage means that the heritage-listed cemetery can have a road built over part of it.

Rightly or wrongly, some people would rather not live next to the bridge and be acquired at current market rate than either have to stay in the shadows of the bridge or try and sell to a private party who will be buying with that in mind.

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I used to live about 100m from traffic lights on what was then the main freight route onto Adelaide (Main North Road before the Expressway was built). I'd rather live near a free-flowing bridge than a set of traffic lights where traffic stops and starts (or stops and gets rear-ended).

"In the shadows of the bridge" seems like a somewhat emotional turn of phrase. How many houses would be shaded for more than 20 minutes a day for part of the year by the proposed bridge? Are they times of day anyone wants to be in that part of their yard anyway?

[ralmin]

Only 15 per cent of Adelaide's road network has a free-flow travel speed exceeding 50km/h, compared to 55 per cent of Sydney's and Melbourne's, 86 per cent of Brisbane's and 91 percent of Perth's road network.

Terrible.

What counts as "Adelaide's Road Network" that 15% of it has a speed limit permitting travel above 50km/h? Residential streets are limited to 50km/h, and often not suitable for that anyway. Is a "free-flow travel speed" what you get at 2am when there are no other vehicles in sight?

The default limit of 50 km/h for built-up areas is the same in Adelaide, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth. In fact only the Northern Territory retains the old 60 km/h speed limit.

I guess they are excluding residential streets and only looking at arterial roads and motorways. Arterial roads in Adelaide tend to have a 60 km/h speed limit, with limited exceptions where they are increased to 70 to 90 km/h where there are few houses directly fronting the road. With a limit of 60 km/h, the travel speed at 2am when no other vehicles are in sight might be just below 50 km/h once traffic lights are taken into account. The other cities tend to have more roads with higher limits. Driving in Melbourne I noticed most arterials tend to be 70 km/h even when there are houses directly facing the road.

For example, South Road remains at 60 km/h for its entire length. A road of that importance would certainly be at least 70 km/h in Melbourne.

[Vasco]

Be careful what you wish for: residents didn't want to have to live near a bridge, so their house will be bulldozed to make space for more lanes leading to traffic lights.

The state's new attitude to heritage means that the heritage-listed cemetery can have a road built over part of it.

Rightly or wrongly, some people would rather not live next to the bridge and be acquired at current market rate than either have to stay in the shadows of the bridge or try and sell to a private party who will be buying with that in mind.

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I used to live about 100m from traffic lights on what was then the main freight route onto Adelaide (Main North Road before the Expressway was built). I'd rather live near a free-flowing bridge than a set of traffic lights where traffic stops and starts (or stops and gets rear-ended).

"In the shadows of the bridge" seems like a somewhat emotional turn of phrase. How many houses would be shaded for more than 20 minutes a day for part of the year by the proposed bridge? Are they times of day anyone wants to be in that part of their yard anyway?

I’m no architect / shade modeller so cannot answer that. Nevertheless who would want to live next to a bridge anyway due to the visual impact. Or the case of not knowing the final extent of impacts visually / shade wise once actually built. Many people would rather not risk it per my initial post and if it’s worse than expected then it’s too late to sell at a previous premium.
Anyway…. I think this discussion is fairly irrelevant to the overall thread. Neighbours will NIMBY regardless.


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[rev]

Only 15 per cent of Adelaide's road network has a free-flow travel speed exceeding 50km/h, compared to 55 per cent of Sydney's and Melbourne's, 86 per cent of Brisbane's and 91 percent of Perth's road network.

Terrible.

What counts as "Adelaide's Road Network" that 15% of it has a speed limit permitting travel above 50km/h? Residential streets are limited to 50km/h, and often not suitable for that anyway. Is a "free-flow travel speed" what you get at 2am when there are no other vehicles in sight?

The default limit of 50 km/h for built-up areas is the same in Adelaide, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth. In fact only the Northern Territory retains the old 60 km/h speed limit.

I guess they are excluding residential streets and only looking at arterial roads and motorways. Arterial roads in Adelaide tend to have a 60 km/h speed limit, with limited exceptions where they are increased to 70 to 90 km/h where there are few houses directly fronting the road. With a limit of 60 km/h, the travel speed at 2am when no other vehicles are in sight might be just below 50 km/h once traffic lights are taken into account. The other cities tend to have more roads with higher limits. Driving in Melbourne I noticed most arterials tend to be 70 km/h even when there are houses directly facing the road.

For example, South Road remains at 60 km/h for its entire length. A road of that importance would certainly be at least 70 km/h in Melbourne.

70kmph roads could once be found in every direction.
We've had speeds reduced on many of them for years now.
Sir Donald Bradman drive for example, past the airport. Why is it down to 60 instead of the former 70?
Adelaide is not a progressive city, its a regressive flat tracking city.

The image above shows exactly why we need the north south corridor finished and work to continue on linking it with the SEF and also progressing further with an eastern motorway.

You guys are mentioning the 2am thing and traffic light factor.
There's many, many intersections in Adelaide where you can sit there for a couple minutes at a red light and no traffic coming through the green light.

Who designs this stuff?

[cocoiadrop]

70kph is terrible let alone 60kph on main roads. It makes the cyclist gutter lanes even more dangerous, and some roads less possible to cross (ever tried Anzac Hwy in peak?).

The solution is less cars on the road and better traffic solutions, which turning our roads into mini highways isn't.

[ChillyPhilly]

The ANZAC Highway intersection/interchange should be contraflow, or the middle intersection removed (so to make it more like Port Road/South Road).

It's not the worst outcome to have visual impact of flyovers reduced.