[PRO] 188 Grenfell Street | 64m | 19 Levels | Student Accom

[Spurdo]

The "shitty run down pub" is a home for so many people, students, the LGBTQ community, older generations who have been going there decades, it's a home for local talent and emerging live music acts. It's one of the few, if not only venue in the East End which quite literally brings the community together. A cohesive social ecosystem.

Have to say I personally disagree with this. I know a few people who have gone there to hang out and have found the clientele who frequent there to be extremely cliquey and standoffish to the point where one was pretty much shunned out of the venue by the people inside for so much as ordering the “wrong type” of drink and looking too different. I have also heard of many other people having similar experiences to this, so I think it is rather misleading when people act like it’s some kind of open minded, welcoming establishment where regular people can hang out.

[ChillyPhilly]

I'll call it: Malinauskas will intervene and this will not proceed.

[Spurdo]

I'll call it: Malinauskas will intervene and this will not proceed.

Oh, most definitely

[Nathan]

The Cranker is also an important venue for bands starting off. No one goes from practicing in a garage to selling out shows at Thebarton Theatre, or even The Gov or Lion Arts. The types of venues with suitable size stages and an audience for starting artists has diminished to a very small number and losing one like the Crown & Anchor would significantly hurt the local music scene.

In the whole of Adelaide the only building suitable is the Crown and Anchor?

There are very few venues left in the CBD. There weren't a lot back when I played in the 2000s, and there's considerably less now.

[Allkai]

lol none

So everybody is free to decide on what's important to them, or just you?

I've got more productive things to do

I suspect that's probably not true.

I take it you're a fan of the cranker, and possibly attended the protest?

You couldn't be more wrong.

I think I've been in there once, didn't attend the protest, but am able to recognise a shame of a loss.

Anyway, enjoy your key mashing, I'll leave you to it.

[rev]

lol none

So everybody is free to decide on what's important to them, or just you?

So the owner of the building is free to decide what they will do with the building and land they own, or is it up to you and those who protested?

I've got more productive things to do

I suspect that's probably not true.[/quote]

Thats nice.

I take it you're a fan of the cranker, and possibly attended the protest?

You couldn't be more wrong.

I think I've been in there once, didn't attend the protest, but am able to recognise a shame of a loss.
[/QUOTE]

Shame you're not able to recognise that I've acknowledged its a loss for those groups, that it would be better if it could be kept in some capacity.
Shame you're also not able to recognise its a privately owned building and therefore not up to attendees of the c&a to decide or dictate what happens to it.

Shame you're also not able to recognise that while people have a right to protest, others are free to disagree.

Anyway, enjoy your key mashing, I'll leave you to it.

Oh, we all know this won't be the end of it for you

[rev]

The Cranker is also an important venue for bands starting off. No one goes from practicing in a garage to selling out shows at Thebarton Theatre, or even The Gov or Lion Arts. The types of venues with suitable size stages and an audience for starting artists has diminished to a very small number and losing one like the Crown & Anchor would significantly hurt the local music scene.

In the whole of Adelaide the only building suitable is the Crown and Anchor?

There are very few venues left in the CBD. There weren't a lot back when I played in the 2000s, and there's considerably less now.

Oh you were in a band and played there, totally get why this potential development bothers you.

Excuse my ignorance on the live music scene, isn't there a group or something within the industry or community, that is able to provide such a venue long term that is outright owned?

[HiTouch]

Although rev has a pretty bad take, he's a radical pro-development so I'm not surprised.

I attended the protest. Why? Well my first beer was had there... it was a coopers pale... yes I was under-age but still it has a beautiful place in my heart. Also, when I went through my emo phase, plenty of bands I watched play there. Also under-age, but a great time.

Secondly, Adelaide is a unesco city of music. We need to protect that brand. Its our identity. Developers can and should accommodate this. These guys should have done more research before buying up the joint. A coffee shop is not good enough. The casino was able to create "The District" with their expansion, so why can't these guys do something similar with the cranker?

Thirdly, I just got back from Wellington last week. That place is a hub of activity. It felt more lively than auckland. Last year I went to New Orleans and it had a similar feel, it is waaaay more lively than LA. Adelaide should be going for this style. The protest is not just about protecting the cranker but we really need a wakeup call and significant investment in our arts scene. The fringe is only one piece of the puzzle. We need significantly more dollars for this space to attract tourists 365 days a year. It's gotta be more then defence and wine.

[Nort]

Although rev has a pretty bad take, he's a radical pro-development so I'm not surprised.

I attended the protest. Why? Well my first beer was had there... it was a coopers pale... yes I was under-age but still it has a beautiful place in my heart. Also, when I went through my emo phase, plenty of bands I watched play there. Also under-age, but a great time.

Secondly, Adelaide is a unesco city of music. We need to protect that brand. Its our identity. Developers can and should accommodate this. These guys should have done more research before buying up the joint. A coffee shop is not good enough. The casino was able to create "The District" with their expansion, so why can't these guys do something similar with the cranker?

Thirdly, I just got back from Wellington last week. That place is a hub of activity. It felt more lively than auckland. Last year I went to New Orleans and it had a similar feel, it is waaaay more lively than LA. Adelaide should be going for this style. The protest is not just about protecting the cranker but we really need a wakeup call and significant investment in our arts scene. The fringe is only one piece of the puzzle. We need significantly more dollars for this space to attract tourists 365 days a year. It's gotta be more then defence and wine.

Yep, heritage is more than bricks and mortar, it's also the culture.

[Nort]

But if I was to protest, I certainly wouldn't chose to protest about some shitty run down pub that the owners are proposing to knock down and redevelop into something else.

Yes, we're all well aware of the things you get emotionally invested in protesting. viewtopic.php?p=160867#p160867

[abc]

Although rev has a pretty bad take, he's a radical pro-development so I'm not surprised.

I attended the protest. Why? Well my first beer was had there... it was a coopers pale... yes I was under-age but still it has a beautiful place in my heart. Also, when I went through my emo phase, plenty of bands I watched play there. Also under-age, but a great time.

Secondly, Adelaide is a unesco city of music. We need to protect that brand. Its our identity. Developers can and should accommodate this. These guys should have done more research before buying up the joint. A coffee shop is not good enough. The casino was able to create "The District" with their expansion, so why can't these guys do something similar with the cranker?

Thirdly, I just got back from Wellington last week. That place is a hub of activity. It felt more lively than auckland. Last year I went to New Orleans and it had a similar feel, it is waaaay more lively than LA. Adelaide should be going for this style. The protest is not just about protecting the cranker but we really need a wakeup call and significant investment in our arts scene. The fringe is only one piece of the puzzle. We need significantly more dollars for this space to attract tourists 365 days a year. It's gotta be more then defence and wine.

wait...what?

its not even a prominent music place in Australia, which as a country is nowhere near prominent in the world

[Mpol02]

But if I was to protest, I certainly wouldn't chose to protest about some shitty run down pub that the owners are proposing to knock down and redevelop into something else.

Yes, we're all well aware of the things you get emotionally invested in protesting. viewtopic.php?p=160867#p160867

Completely echo the need for more art investment. In 2014-18 I felt the city centre had a lot more buzz with alot of new events coming through but since then it feels those small steps have gone back a bit.

[rev]

Although rev has a pretty bad take, he's a radical pro-development so I'm not surprised.

I attended the protest. Why? Well my first beer was had there... it was a coopers pale... yes I was under-age but still it has a beautiful place in my heart. Also, when I went through my emo phase, plenty of bands I watched play there. Also under-age, but a great time.

Secondly, Adelaide is a unesco city of music. We need to protect that brand. Its our identity. Developers can and should accommodate this. These guys should have done more research before buying up the joint. A coffee shop is not good enough. The casino was able to create "The District" with their expansion, so why can't these guys do something similar with the cranker?

Thirdly, I just got back from Wellington last week. That place is a hub of activity. It felt more lively than auckland. Last year I went to New Orleans and it had a similar feel, it is waaaay more lively than LA. Adelaide should be going for this style. The protest is not just about protecting the cranker but we really need a wakeup call and significant investment in our arts scene. The fringe is only one piece of the puzzle. We need significantly more dollars for this space to attract tourists 365 days a year. It's gotta be more then defence and wine.

The thing is, I'm not actually in favor of this proposed student tower.
My take is that who are we, as private citizens, to tell a land/building owner, what they can and cant do with their land/building, and using nostalgic emotions to dictate that a pub should remain?
I see peoples point, but at the end of the day is it actually something worth protesting about, making banners and placards?

Where is the line drawn? If the proposal meets all guidelines, it shouldn't be built because people are upset a venue will be lost?
Oh because I used to drink here, or play in a band there, then the owner of that building has no right to redevelop it?

I get that people are attached to it, but seriously...

Why doesn't someone within the industry buy it and save it then? If it means that much?
Or do people think that the owner should maintain it for them?

But I agree, they should be able to do something with it and retain it in some form as I said earlier in the thread.

[Nort]

Although rev has a pretty bad take, he's a radical pro-development so I'm not surprised.

I attended the protest. Why? Well my first beer was had there... it was a coopers pale... yes I was under-age but still it has a beautiful place in my heart. Also, when I went through my emo phase, plenty of bands I watched play there. Also under-age, but a great time.

Secondly, Adelaide is a unesco city of music. We need to protect that brand. Its our identity. Developers can and should accommodate this. These guys should have done more research before buying up the joint. A coffee shop is not good enough. The casino was able to create "The District" with their expansion, so why can't these guys do something similar with the cranker?

Thirdly, I just got back from Wellington last week. That place is a hub of activity. It felt more lively than auckland. Last year I went to New Orleans and it had a similar feel, it is waaaay more lively than LA. Adelaide should be going for this style. The protest is not just about protecting the cranker but we really need a wakeup call and significant investment in our arts scene. The fringe is only one piece of the puzzle. We need significantly more dollars for this space to attract tourists 365 days a year. It's gotta be more then defence and wine.

The thing is, I'm not actually in favor of this proposed student tower.
My take is that who are we, as private citizens, to tell a land/building owner, what they can and cant do with their land/building, and using nostalgic emotions to dictate that a pub should remain?
I see peoples point, but at the end of the day is it actually something worth protesting about, making banners and placards?

Where is the line drawn? If the proposal meets all guidelines, it shouldn't be built because people are upset a venue will be lost?
Oh because I used to drink here, or play in a band there, then the owner of that building has no right to redevelop it?

I get that people are attached to it, but seriously...

Why doesn't someone within the industry buy it and save it then? If it means that much?
Or do people think that the owner should maintain it for them?

But I agree, they should be able to do something with it and retain it in some form as I said earlier in the thread.

The argument is that the guidelines are badly written and clearly not serving the purposes they are intended to.

We as private citizens aren't telling the land/building owner what they can and can't do, we're petitioning the government to fix the broken planning laws. If you want to overturn the entire concept of heritage, zoning, urban planning, and development approvals then that's a far bigger fight I wish you luck in.

[Nathan]

One good thing to come out of this is push back on façadism as a way of maintaining heritage. Wearing the old building as a skin, and gutting everything past 30cm deep has always felt like such a minimum effort approach, and implies that heritage is about what something looks like on the surface and not why a particular building is significant.