COM: Seaford Rail Extension | $291m | 5.5km

[Norman]

Thing is though, Adelaide is narrow and long, so quite a bit of cross-suburban travel is not really cross-suburban, it's cross-city.

The 600 bus is a great example of cross-suburban travel done right though. Every 15 minutes during the day and every 30 minutes at night and weekends, linking Flinders Uni, Marion and Glenelg.

[Somebody]

Thing is though, Adelaide is narrow and long, so quite a bit of cross-suburban travel is not really cross-suburban, it's cross-city.

True - but the majority of trips are not those sort of journeys, but local travel. You know, down to the local shopping centre, etc.

The 600 bus is a great example of cross-suburban travel done right though. Every 15 minutes during the day and every 30 minutes at night and weekends, linking Flinders Uni, Marion and Glenelg.

Snort! LOL!

Every 30 minutes is pathetic, and 15 minutely is barely turn-up-and-go. Needs to be minimum 10 minutely imo to get choice passengers.

(BTW, due to operational reasons Somebody services will not operate on Thurs or Fri this week. Apologies for any inconvenience.)

[Norman]

(BTW, due to operational reasons Somebody services will not operate on Thurs or Fri this week. Apologies for any inconvenience.)

Celebrate good times come on?

[Düsseldorfer]

Bribe him to give Adelaide money for useful projects that will actually benefit people instead of wasting $4bil on that useless 5km metro to Rozelle in Sydney.

no no, Adelaide will probably get ripped off again as usual, and we will see a nice new cross city tunnel and new motorway (tolled of course) in Melbourne, the Rozelle metro in Sydney plus another toll way in Sydney's suburbs, an underground in Brisbane plus a new freeway, Perth will probably get given funding for their airport rail link, and Adelaide might get some funding for the Seaford line.......in a few years...maybe

[SRW]

It's the states priority to fund PT - having said that, Krudd has his infrastructure fund at the moment which could lend some to Adelaide. Don't forget that you get GST revenue too.

That's very true, but when we have such a pronounced fiscal imbalance between the Commonwealth and the states, the GST just doesn't cut it. These sorts of additional grants are necessary for the states to meet their expenditure responsibilities (though, in my opinion, it would be better for them to be able to raise the majority of their revenue needs themselves).

[fabricator]

From what I can tell this is somewhere at the back of the structure, with the buses at ground level, and the rail line in a trench.

Quite frankly its hideous, those concrete walls surrounding the platform will make the place not only feel closed in, but make it unsafe and a magnet to idiots with spray cans. I can't see any ramps to get down either.

On a more practical note, it solves nothing really, as you need to build the interchange at the TOP of the hill, not at the bottom and somehow get packed buses to battle up steep grades in heavy traffic. Notice that as usual the government have sabotaged ANY attempt to continue the line further south, in the same way the Liberal's did when they build that Police station at the end of the line.

I hope the federal government recognise this interchange for what it is, a very expensive bus interchange which will do little to reduce greenhouse emissions, or encourage a greater use of trains and public transport in general.
An example:
say you currently take the 721X bus home from the city to stop 59 beach road
Leaves at 5:10pm, arrives 6:12PM
Now with this new system, you can catch the train to Flinders Interchange, and catch the same packed bus that battles its way up the hill in a low gear. End result, save stuff all time, bus still gets stuck in traffic, still about as appealing as long distance bus travel is (I'd rather poke myself in the eye than spend 45 minutes on a bus).

I see NOTHING that couldn't be done by simply attaching a bus terminal to the current Tonsley station.
Park and Ride my butt, no one would drive all that way and change to a train, a train ticket would cost more than parking in the city anyway.

I'll be writing to the federal government asking them to reject the Flinders Interchange part of the proposal. Its not an efficient use of funds and will create minimal extra use of public transport, or a useful extension of the rail network.

[AtD]

Park and Ride wouldn't work very well at Flinders. It'd just get packed full of students and FMC staff who would walk across the road.

[crawf]

Thing is though, Adelaide is narrow and long, so quite a bit of cross-suburban travel is not really cross-suburban, it's cross-city.

The 600 bus is a great example of cross-suburban travel done right though. Every 15 minutes during the day and every 30 minutes at night and weekends, linking Flinders Uni, Marion and Glenelg.

Yeah its great the 600/601, it also connects Blackwood Station, Harbourtown and Henley Square

Every 30 minutes is pathetic, and 15 minutely is barely turn-up-and-go. Needs to be minimum 10 minutely imo to get choice passengers.

If frequency was boast to 10 minutes, then other areas will demand 10min frequency which will cause a major nightmare for the State Government because we currently unfortunately don't have enough buses.

Plus the bus route probably doesn't have the demand for it, so the current frequency is fine.

I caught the 600 bus from Westfield Marion to Henley Beach on Saturday and it wasn't very packed

[Pat28]

A bunch of victorians (http://www.ptua.org.au/campaigns/every10minutes/) has been fighting for years to get a 10 minute freuqency service to everywhere. Look at the site and see what the say. Replace Melbourne with Adelaide

As for improving service frequency cross-suburban and cross-city at least start with having the Circle Line and 701/702 at 10 minute frequencies and then it will save people from goin into the CBD to go from Glen Osmond Rd to Burnside (for example) - but maybe wiating one the edge of a main road (Portrush) seems rather desirable.

[muzzamo]

Fabricator have you seen how sucesful these sorts of setups are interstate? Bondi Junction would be a classic example.

Remember in the long term the government wants this area to be surrounded by high rise apartments as well.

[fabricator]

Fabricator have you seen how sucesful these sorts of setups are interstate? Bondi Junction would be a classic example.

Remember in the long term the government wants this area to be surrounded by high rise apartments as well.

Imagine you have 20+km of city past the end of the line, which isn't served by rail.
Would you choose:
A) To leave a reservation clear to continue the line.
B) Apply for Federal funding to extend the line.
C) Build a massive Police station right at the end of the line so as the block many possible routes for extending the line, leaving only a small area track could be built through, at massive extra expense.
For the answer click here:
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/ ... ey_end.jpg

The previous state government did that, there is a vacant area to the right.

The long term plan IS the problem, once you've built massive buildings everywhere, its not possible to extend the line at all.

[muzzamo]

Clearly the police station doesn't block the line, otherwise they wouldn't be able to build the interchange though? Can't there just be a slight kink to the left? Google maps certainly seems to suggest the case.

[SRW]

Sinking the rail line would be the wrong approach, in my opinion.

But let's face it, we really haven't really got a clue as to what the Government's planning here. The artwork is likely just that.

[fabricator]

Clearly the police station doesn't block the line, otherwise they wouldn't be able to build the interchange though? Can't there just be a slight kink to the left? Google maps certainly seems to suggest the case.

Yes, that is the only route remaining, which would be blocked by the proposed Flinders Interchange. Due to the need to go up-grade to cross South Road with a bridge, at the very point where this station would be constructed. Effectively they are digging the end of the line into a hill.

Look at the PDF in my sig, it shows how to cross South Road at this point, in glorious 3d.

[Somebody]

If frequency was boast to 10 minutes, then other areas will demand 10min frequency

Which they should get.

Plus the bus route probably doesn't have the demand for it, so the current frequency is fine.

Provide a useless frequency (30 minutely), and don't be surprised if nobody uses it.

Public transport demand is supply driven.

I caught the 600 bus from Westfield Marion to Henley Beach on Saturday and it wasn't very packed

How surprising.