The Federal Politics Thread

[monotonehell]

Putting editorials on the front page is not journalism.

[Dog]

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[monotonehell]

...And where have all the loonies gone? Considering the CEC have their own TV show on channel 44, I'm amazed they're not running any candidates this time. Could they finally have twigged how silly their conspiracy theories are?

They're still on the ticket Aidan. They've just changed names or allegences a little.

Have a closer look at the following, there's many a loonie amongst them.
Socialist Equality Party (SEP)
Family First
Liberal Democratic Party
Palmer United Party
Democratic Labour Party
Rise Up Australia Party
No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics
Help End Marijuana Prohibition
Liberal
Australian Motoring Enthusiast party
Drug Law Reform
One Nation
Australian Christians
Smokers Rights
Australian Labor Party
Group AF

[Dog]

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[zippySA]

...And where have all the loonies gone? Considering the CEC have their own TV show on channel 44, I'm amazed they're not running any candidates this time. Could they finally have twigged how silly their conspiracy theories are?

They're still on the ticket Aidan. They've just changed names or allegences a little.

Someone forgot to add "Labour" to that list. Their behaviour over the last few years certainly merits a gong in any loony list. Will be interesting to see if the polls are right who emerges as the next leader for them - assuming they now need to go to their party members to vote and the list of candidates remaining may not be very long.

[Aidan]

...And where have all the loonies gone? Considering the CEC have their own TV show on channel 44, I'm amazed they're not running any candidates this time. Could they finally have twigged how silly their conspiracy theories are?

They're still on the ticket Aidan. They've just changed names or allegences a little.

Someone forgot to add "Labour" to that list. Their behaviour over the last few years certainly merits a gong in any loony list. Will be interesting to see if the polls are right who emerges as the next leader for them - assuming they now need to go to their party members to vote and the list of candidates remaining may not be very long.

Firstly the ALP is Labor not Labour.
Secondly it was on Mono's list.
Thirdly the Liberals' policies are far sillier than those of Labor.
Fourthly you obviously have no idea how nutty the CEC conspiracy theories are. They think Rudd and Obama work for MI6.

[Aidan]

Economist magazine releases list of world's 'Most Livable Cities
Aug 29, 2013

The business and political weekly magazine 'The Economist' has released its 2013 list of the world's 'Most Liveable Cities.

Using criteria based on an examination of each city's culture and environment, education, healthcare, infrastructure and stability, here are in order the top 10 most liveable cities, according to the magazine: 1) Melbourne; 2) Vienna; 3) Vancouver; 4) Toronto; 5) Calgary; 6) Adelaide; 7) Sydney; Helsinki; 9) Perth and 10) Auckland.
That leaves no African, Asian or South American cities and 2 cities from Europe, 3 from Canada, 4 from Australia and Auckland in New Zealand.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/357291

I don't think this belongs in the Federal politics thread.

Nor do I think Adelaide deserves to be on that list yet - we have the potential to beat Melbourne, but at the moment the trains aren't running, the trams are overloaded and the roads are a mess, so it's hard to get anywhere unless you live in the northern suburbs. I'm guessing Brisbane fails on the healthcare and Canberra on the culture, but even so, to list us as #6 in the world suggests they didn't look very hard!

[monotonehell]

Someone forgot to add "Labour" to that list. Their behaviour over the last few years certainly merits a gong in any loony list. Will be interesting to see if the polls are right who emerges as the next leader for them - assuming they now need to go to their party members to vote and the list of candidates remaining may not be very long.

Second to last. I made sure that both Laberal and Libor were on there as they are almost indiscernible from each other. They are also in order of how I found them on the ticket (mostly).

Nor do I think Adelaide deserves to be on that list yet - we have the potential to beat Melbourne, but at the moment the trains aren't running, the trams are overloaded and the roads are a mess, so it's hard to get anywhere unless you live in the northern suburbs. I'm guessing Brisbane fails on the healthcare and Canberra on the culture, but even so, to list us as #6 in the world suggests they didn't look very hard!

Or... maybe, while it could be better, it's not as bad as we think?

[zippySA]

Apologies - my grammar may pass the test (this time) - but my reading obviously is off a little!

[claybro]

The Australian Institute -

Australian mining industry will generate close on $600bn in profits over the next ten years, approximately $500bn of this will go overseas.

liberals continue to oppose mining taxes.

Don't the mining companies pay company tax, payroll tax, superannuation, fuel tax, GST, carbon tax, state levies etc? Don't the thousands of people they employ pay income tax and medicare levies on the incredibly high incomes they earn, then GST on the thousands they spend with their inflated wages? What of the many indigenous Australians who have been trained and employed by the mining companies in regional areas, where previously they would be the recipients of social security, but are now taxpayers? Sure, lets slug those greedy corporate bastards, and send them off South America and Africa, where they practically give the stuff away, with workers that work for nothing and have no safety compliance or environmental considerations.

[stumpjumper]

Australian mining industry will generate close on $600bn in profits over the next ten years, approximately $500bn of this will go overseas.

Where did that come from, claybro?

[stumpjumper]

Got it:

The Australia Institute
Mining the truth: The rhetoric and reality of the commodities boom
Institute Paper No. 7
September 2011
ISSN 1836-8948
David Richardson and Richard Denniss

The Australia Institute is a Canberra-based public affairs think tank presently campaigning against the election of a Liberal government.

Two aspects of mining the paper does not address are the investment required to gain the 10% profit on $600 million turnover, and the time period over which that investment must be made. Those figures can be considerabnle, and they accrue to the RISK side of the register.

The relationship between risk and reward is a concept not always well understood by economists of the Left. If the risk of failure and loss is high, the reward for success must be worthwhile, or there will be no activity.

I reckon 10% is fair here. As long as it is 10%.

(I'm not accusing you of failing to understand that, claybro.)

[Dog]

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[stumpjumper]

So over the ten years that the $600bn profit is generated, up to $5400bn is spent in Oz, and a fair share of the $600bn is available to anyone who wishes to buy mining shares. Is that such a bad deal for us? And what is the alternative - nationalised mining? I'm no rabid miner of anything in any patch of ground, but I can't see too much wrong with the present setup.

[Aidan]

The alternative is to tax it more so that Australia retains more of the benefits.