State Election 2010

[adam73837]

State bank debt almost completely paid off

So that's one of Rann's fine achievements is it? Considering that there was another Government between him and the the Bannon Government.

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Port Adelaide redevelopment of industrial wasteland[/quote]
While a redevelopment of that place is needed, I still fail to see why this development is SO fantastic. I mean sure, it's great that we're fixing it up, but really, all there are are a few short apartment buildings, a commercial district (or two) and a few groups of villas. The main part of which I am confused about is the 'short apartments'. These apartments are just regular buildings being constructed, I mean with one of the old proposals where it was hanging over the water, there was at least something, but here, its just your regular apartment building that would be accepeted by even the older local residents in my area (and I live in Hazelwood Park, so that really says a lot). Like I said, while I'm not complaining that such a thing (redevelopment) is going ahead, I just fail to see what's so iconic and greatly glamorous about it.

New Airport terminal

Please don't anyone mention the airport terminal as one of Rann's achievements, because everyone knows that it was heating up from the Governments before him.

Tram extension - with future extensions planned

Sure, great extension, but overcrowding problems AND the fact that they're going to be going on the same line as trains, etc., etc. (see my above post).

2 billion plan to upgrade rail network - including electrifying it finally
New major hospital to replace ageing, dilapidated RAH.

I could go on...

...That's been the Liberals problem, they haven't found someone who can take it to Rann.

Anyone can take it to Rann, even you or me . The only reason that Rann is going to get a lot of votes in the next election, is not because of him, but because of some of the ministers (Obviously not Jane Lomax-Smith ). If we had a system where we also vote for the leader of the Party, then Rann would be outta there faster than Usain Bolt can run . If you don't know who he is, click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usain_Bolt

[rev]

And where would you want the trams to run, down the middle of Port road? If that was proposed, then you would probably be one of those people complaining at the loss of the "park land" and car parks that are the center of Port road. So what if they will run on train tracks for part of the journey? Isn't that the more efficient way to go about it, using existing infrastructure?

Trams are over crowded, we know, it's the main story in the Advertiser at least once a month with that goofy looking photoshopped image of Pat Conlon with a train conductors hat on saying "Fix it Pat" - really shows how classy our one and only paper is. So what do you propose they do about over crowding? With all the negativity surrounding the construction of the extension, who would have thought it would have proved to be so popular and widely used ehh?!!

Yes, yes the hospital, wrong place etc. I know, I'm against it's proposed location too.

Yes, I know, nothing the government does is perfect, never is.

But I'll tell you one thing, at least under this current government, things are starting to improve, at least they are sending money where its needed.
What the hell did the previous Liberal government do ? Build us a one way expressway? Privatise our utility companies resulting in over priced bills? Fail to address Police recruitment shortfall among other things?

What we are getting is not exactly what we would all like, yet, but its a start, and it can be built upon and improved.
And it's a lot more then what would be happening under one of the current bozos in the Liberal party as premier of this state of ours.

Anyway, I think it will be more interesting to see who will get more votes out of the LIberals and Greens, rather then who will win. Labor will win, just a question by how much, and how many seats they will lose. The real battle imo is between the Greens and Liberals. And I'm not too thrilled about either. Independents would do a better job then either of those two parties.

[adam73837]

And where would you want the trams to run, down the middle of Port road? If that was proposed, then you would probably be one of those people complaining at the loss of the "park land" and car parks that are the center of Port road.

Acutally, if you read the posts that I have made on S-A, you'd pretty quickly come to the conclusion that I would not at all be one of the NIMBYs that continuously whinge when tiny pieces of parklands are lost!

What the hell did the previous Liberal government do ? Build us a one way expressway? Privatise our utility companies resulting in over priced bills? Fail to address Police recruitment shortfall among other things?

Most people are aware that the ridiculous one-way expressway was built that way due to the State Bank Collapse that had occurred less than a decade before. Ditto the privatisation of ETSA. Before anyone jumps down my throat, I will also acknowledge that one of the reasons that the expressway was one-way was because of the fear that business along Main South Road would go broke (IMO its a bit ridiculous because there are many, MANY suburbs surrounding these businesses, therefore meaning alot of people. Anyway, I'm just as much against the 'one-wayness' of the expressway as you are rev).

Anyway, I think it will be more interesting to see who will get more votes out of the LIberals and Greens, rather then who will win. Labor will win, just a question by how much, and how many seats they will lose.

Don't count your votes before they've hatched . Many people are growing tired of Rann and the way he always gives in to NIMBYs, etc. There has also been a lot of controversy surrounding the teachers, water, etc. issues -I'm not saying that the Liberals will fix these two problems, I'm saying that these are some factors that may contribute to the loss of votes for Labor.

[Wayno]

I love watching the politcal wrangling as you get closer to an election. A good example arose today. The Opposition says it has 'inside information' that our water bills will rise by 20% from next year (to pay for the desal plant). I bet the Opposition truly does have inside information, and have deliberately understated the rise - it's probably more than 25%!

So the govt is cornered today, and the Opposition gets to bash them again in January!

[Cruise]

I just hate people that are stool pigoens for political parties.

vote for who comes the closest to agreeing with your views people. Don't just keep voting for the same party because thats your "team" so to say.

end rant.

[peas_and_corn]

+1, Cruise

The next state election is quite a bit of time away, however MHS has failed to prove to me that he would be a better Premier than MR. There are many problems facing the state, and the past year hasn't been very kind to MR- though that's the rough and tumble of politics. I acknowledge that state Labor hasn't been all that fantastic, but merely replacing them with more people who won't do a good job AND cancel tram projects that I like is hardly something that sounds like a good idea...

[adam73837]

vote for who comes the closest to agreeing with your views people. Don't just keep voting for the same party because thats your "team" so to say.

I agree 100%.

[Shuz]

BRING BACK THE HAPPY BIRTHDAY PARTY, SUSIE CREAMCHEESE AS THE LEADER

[cruel_world00]

Rann = Anti-euthanasia...

Pffft... it's the 21st Century you dolt.

[rhino]

Anybody got any idea what the Greens' policies are with regard to education, health, policing, infrastructure, the treasury, water supply for the people of this state, defence, universities, increasing population, care of the elderly, in fact, anything apart from the environment? Come on - they're never gonna be able to govern in their own right, simply because they don't have the knowledge. Be good to have one or two of them holding seats, but that's about it. I would hope they don't become stronger than the Liberal party until they learn how to govern.

It's very interesting to see how people only see what they want to see and shut out the stuff that proves the case for the other side.

And Adam, Rann is one of the most popular premiers we've had, despite your opinion of him. Just accept it. Comments like "Anyone can take it to Rann, even you or me" are just plain imature and show a case of being quite out of touch. Sure, you may hate him (that's quite obvious) but don't try to tell us that everyone else does too, you're starting to sound like MHS - "I say it, so it is so".

And now for something refreshing - comments on the first page of this thread about waiting see policies etc before making a choice - great to see people thinking this way!

[cruel_world00]

Anybody got any idea what the Greens' policies are with regard to education, health, policing, infrastructure, the treasury, water supply for the people of this state, defence, universities, increasing population, care of the elderly, in fact, anything apart from the environment? Come on - they're never gonna be able to govern in their own right, simply because they don't have the knowledge. Be good to have one or two of them holding seats, but that's about it. I would hope they don't become stronger than the Liberal party until they learn how to govern.

It's very interesting to see how people only see what they want to see and shut out the stuff that proves the case for the other side.

And Adam, Rann is one of the most popular premiers we've had, despite your opinion of him. Just accept it. Comments like "Anyone can take it to Rann, even you or me" are just plain imature and show a case of being quite out of touch. Sure, you may hate him (that's quite obvious) but don't try to tell us that everyone else does too, you're starting to sound like MHS - "I say it, so it is so".

And now for something refreshing - comments on the first page of this thread about waiting see policies etc before making a choice - great to see people thinking this way!

http://greens.org.au/

[rhino]

http://greens.org.au/

Thanks for the link. They obviously have a few more policies than I gave them credit for. A few of them seem a bit silly, but that's par for the course with any party, I guess.

Having said that, at a state level there are policies relating to transport, nuclear, climate change, and, ... that's it. All of which, co-incidentally, have an environmental impact (nothing wrong with that, but I would like to see some policies on things that help keep us ticking over).

[peas_and_corn]

When it comes to the Greens, in the months approaching the 2007 election, the Liberals made a big deal that they didn't have enough environmental policies, and focused on other issues. Of course, a lot of that was part of stonewalling...

[adam73837]

And Adam, Rann is one of the most popular premiers we've had, despite your opinion of him.

Let's list 3 premiers that were definitely more popular than him. Playford, Dunstan and Bannon.
Playford -brought industry to Adelaide, transformed it, etc. I've said it before.
Dunstan -brought culture to Adelaide, also tranformed it, etc. I've also said it before.
Bannon -brought Adelaide out of the 60s and 70s and there was contruction booming everywhere! It should also be noted that he was the one that began the Southern Expressway project and I believe that at one stage he was looking into shifting the airport up north to allow for greater room to expand, etc. Can anyone else clarify this, 'cause I heard that such a thing occurred in the 80's. Despite the fact that I hold a big grudge against him for the State Bank Collapse and for completing Tonkin's job of selling off the MATS corridors, I acknowledge that he knew what was right and he went ahead and did it -for the better. (except for the State Bank and MATS) HE WAS FAR BETTER THAN RANN, THAT'S FOR SURE!

And what has Rann really done? I mean what has he, as a premier really done. The Ministers within his cabinet are the hard workers and the ones that bring things forward; he's just a Poster Boy, that's why he's popuar, because he's taking all the credit! So maybe the sentence that you're searching for is, And Adam, the current Government is one of the better government's we've had, despite your opinion of Rann. At which I would agree.

[frank1]

And Adam, Rann is one of the most popular premiers we've had, despite your opinion of him.

Let's list 3 premiers that were definitely more popular than him. Playford, Dunstan and Bannon.
Playford -brought industry to Adelaide, transformed it, etc. I've said it before.
Dunstan -brought culture to Adelaide, also tranformed it, etc. I've also said it before.
Bannon -brought Adelaide out of the 60s and 70s and there was contruction booming everywhere! It should also be noted that he was the one that began the Southern Expressway project and I believe that at one stage he was looking into shifting the airport up north to allow for greater room to expand, etc. Can anyone else clarify this, 'cause I heard that such a thing occurred in the 80's. Despite the fact that I hold a big grudge against him for the State Bank Collapse and for completing Tonkin's job of selling off the MATS corridors, I acknowledge that he knew what was right and he went ahead and did it -for the better. (except for the State Bank and MATS) HE WAS FAR BETTER THAN RANN, THAT'S FOR SURE!

And what has Rann really done? I mean what has he, as a premier really done. The Ministers within his cabinet are the hard workers and the ones that bring things forward; he's just a Poster Boy, that's why he's popuar, because he's taking all the credit! So maybe the sentence that you're searching for is, And Adam, the current Government is one of the better government's we've had, despite your opinion of Rann. At which I would agree.

That goes for every premier. Even the so called greats ie dunstan, playford bannon all had hard working ministers that came up with the ideas and the figure heads i.e. the popular premiers delivered these ideas to the public to gain votes. Rann is not really any different. Politics in this country has not really changed IMO.