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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#361 Post by rev » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:45 pm

Waewick wrote:did you watch the release on Ch.24?

bloody uninspiring stuff, basically claimed a couple of Mike Rann wins, but everything else either was a result of Federal funding or basically begging for federal funding.

I know you have a dislike of Liberal, but what Labor is putting on the table, after 12 years at the helm is basically, don't vote Liberal because they haven't been in Power for 12 years.

I guess we will see when/if Liberal release any policy, then we'll see where it is on the Paper and we can probably get an idea who they are going for.
Whether it's inspiring or not has nothing at all to do with it. The Premier of this state kicked off his election campaign officially and announced his plans for the future, and our only newspaper doesn't seem to think its important enough for the front page. The same tabloid toilet paper that thought Marshall's sick sister was important enough for the front page.

I know you're a conservative liberal supporter, but the Liberal party are putting NOTHING on the table for voters to decide on.

What is happening is the media is giving a biased presentation of this election and trying to form people's opinions for them in a herd mentality.

Marshall has surged ahead in news ltd tabloid polls because they are running an anti-Labor anti-Weatherill media campaign on behalf of the Liberal party.

The majority of people source the information they base their opinions and views on from the media. News ltd is the only newspaper in town.
They are taking full advantage of their monopoly to influence the election outcome.

The only time we really hear anything from the Liberals is when the media are running a negative story on the government and they get a willing Liberal party member to talk rubbish about the government. They rarely offer any alternative and when they so it's lacking substance.

Marshall will be a nothing Premier who will merely be a puppet for Abbott.


And my rants have nothing to do with which party I prefer. There is a clear bias and a lack of substance from the liberals. That my problem.

They've had 12 long years to come up with suitable and inspiring alternatives to what the government has to offer.
So why aren't they sharing it with the rest of the state? Because they lack any real vision.

You say Labors successes have come mostly with federal help. Well name for us state Liberal plans that won't require federal money...do they even have policies and plans with federal help?

I'll tell you...they will sell off assets like SA Water, upgrade part of south road with it.

If they can't come up with policies in 12 years how are they going to run the state? Selling assets isn't running a state.

They failed as an opposition and they will fail as a government.

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#362 Post by Ho Really » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:52 pm

rev wrote:Today, after Weatherill announces Labors plans, we get the Crows and age care food fight.

Labors plans are relegated to page 5. Apparently what the government announces during an election campaign what it plans to do if it is re-elected is not important enough for the front page.

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It wasn't newsworthy for a frontpage. No details were announced. Actually, it is better this way. Labor may have gotten bad publicity instead for the lack of. Anyway, you may see more as the weeks go by. Then if it is significant News Ltd., might publish it on the frontpage or else...status quo.

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#363 Post by Ho Really » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:57 pm

Rev, give the Liberals the benefit of the doubt. They'll eventually reveal things as the election date gets closer. Remember this is politics. It's a game of cat and mouse and timing is also important when it comes to releasing details etc.

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#364 Post by Waewick » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:38 pm

I agree that the Libs haven't released policy, but the official campaign only started yesterday.

I really don't believe they will sell SA Water, it wouldn't just be political suicide it just wouldn't make sense.


SA is pretty much now reliant on the Federal purse, so the Libs will have to rely on the Feds to help with a fair proportion, as will Labor should they win.

What I do know, is in 12 years Labor have failed to do anything to diversify the states revenue, relied on failed projects like Olympic Dam.

I'm not denying Mike Rann didn't have some great achievements, like the Tour Down Under but in reality to complete they disregard for anything outside the 5000 postcode and have managed to do things without really actually doing anything.

As i said, I will be interested to see how this pans out. Will be interesting to see what happens when the policies do come out.

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#365 Post by monotonehell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:04 pm

Waewick wrote:As i said, I will be interested to see how this pans out. Will be interesting to see what happens when the policies do come out.
I'm not expecting any real policies to be released by the Libs. Looking at their website, their campaign is going to be a clone of the Federal Libs' campaign. Short of details, big on vague promises. They're using all the same empty rhetoric we got from Abbott last year. I don't blame them, it worked.
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#366 Post by Waewick » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:25 pm

monotonehell wrote:
Waewick wrote:As i said, I will be interested to see how this pans out. Will be interesting to see what happens when the policies do come out.
I'm not expecting any real policies to be released by the Libs. Looking at their website, their campaign is going to be a clone of the Federal Libs' campaign. Short of details, big on vague promises. They're using all the same empty rhetoric we got from Abbott last year. I don't blame them, it worked.
it is annoying, I can't see how it helps once you get in.

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#367 Post by Dazzeland » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:39 pm

Aidan wrote:Sorry Dazzeland, I mistakenly typed extension when I meant electrification. I agree there's very little prospect of it being extended any time soon.
No worries Aidan, I too think that the Gawler line should be electrified very soon.

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#368 Post by Ho Really » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:57 pm

monotonehell wrote:I'm not expecting any real policies to be released by the Libs. Looking at their website, their campaign is going to be a clone of the Federal Libs' campaign. Short of details, big on vague promises. They're using all the same empty rhetoric we got from Abbott last year. I don't blame them, it worked.
Unfortunately both parties are short on details. For the Liberals though it's still early days. So the ball is in their court. We already know what Labor wants. They want to continue to use taxpayer's money to fund their building programmes. How far can you go with that? One must concede though that if SA wants to be competitive it must make starting business here attractive. And when I'm talking about business I mean SMEs. Whichever party can make this happen and get people employed deserves to be voted in. Am I being vague? :wink:

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#369 Post by Waewick » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:22 pm

75% of gdp in a couple of years... I'd say not much longer

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#370 Post by Aidan » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:37 pm

Waewick wrote:75% of gdp in a couple of years... I'd say not much longer
What are you referring to?
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#371 Post by Waewick » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:53 pm

Aidan wrote:
Waewick wrote:75% of gdp in a couple of years... I'd say not much longer
What are you referring to?
debt to gdp.

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#372 Post by Aidan » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:07 pm

Waewick wrote:
Aidan wrote:
Waewick wrote:75% of gdp in a couple of years... I'd say not much longer
What are you referring to?
debt to gdp.
Why are you referring to debt to GDP?

And since this is the SA Politics Thread, is it GDP or GSP?
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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#373 Post by Aidan » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:17 pm

Watched the party leaders debate on the 7:30 (ABC). Concluded both of them deserved to lose!
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#374 Post by monotonehell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:06 pm

Aidan wrote:Watched the party leaders debate on the 7:30 (ABC). Concluded both of them deserved to lose!
That was my take on the last Federal Election.
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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#375 Post by Waewick » Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:21 pm

Aidan wrote:
Waewick wrote:
Aidan wrote: What are you referring to?
debt to gdp.
Why are you referring to debt to GDP?

And since this is the SA Politics Thread, is it GDP or GSP?
Gross domestic product, I dont think it matters, I didn't say gross National product

Given our pretty crap growth trajectory I rant don't think such a high ratio is sustainable.

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