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[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:00 pm
by MT269
The above is only a link to their FB page. Nothing directly related to progress of the spur line development.
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:07 pm
by Spotto
MT269 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:00 pm
The above is only a link to their FB page. Nothing directly related to progress of the spur line development.
Link to the post:
https://www.facebook.com/share/NjdZsvnf ... tid=WC7FNe
Picture shows a Redhen at the end of the museum’s short line next to the new AdMet passing loop. The line ends almost where the pedestrian path joins Edith Street.
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 9:30 am
by marbles
any new photos of the port station?
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 6:54 pm
by PD2/20
marbles wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 9:30 am
any new photos of the port station?
Newer than Norman's photos
viewtopic.php?p=215947#p215947 ?
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 10:44 am
by I Follow PAFC
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 9:28 am
by baytram366
The utility building is bigger than the passenger shelter
Seriously though, that shelter should have been at least double that length
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 9:38 am
by Llessur2002
I really don't get this - what is the justification for saving a relatively small amount of money in terms of the overall project costing by not putting in a shelter that is significantly bigger than the one that's there?
It looks very similar in size to the one at the recently-rebuilt Croydon Station and on any rainy or sunny morning that provides nowhere near enough shelter for the number of people on the platfom in peak hour.
I can only assume that the person at DIT who is responsible for commissioning new/rebuilt stations has never actually taken public transport themselves.
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 10:53 am
by abc
Croydon is close to the city whereas Port Dock is the end of the line and its a spur line so I assume they're not anticipating a huge amount of patronage.
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 5:38 pm
by eKwatee
Why does it need to be built so tall?
How tall are the people catching this train? If they had constructed it shorter and longer, with enclosed sides, it might actually do what a shelter is supposed to do, and shelter people from the weather. At this height, it won't even block the rain on a windy day.
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 11:46 pm
by Spotto
abc wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 10:53 am
Croydon is close to the city whereas Port Dock is the end of the line and its a spur line so I assume they're not anticipating a huge amount of patronage.
But wasn’t increasing patronage the whole justification for building this spur line?
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:20 am
by victorious80
eKwatee wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 5:38 pm
Why does it need to be built so tall?
How tall are the people catching this train? If they had constructed it shorter and longer, with enclosed sides, it might actually do what a shelter is supposed to do, and shelter people from the weather. At this height, it won't even block the rain on a windy day.
dont shoot messenger, but stations (and public spaces in general) are now designed to promote passive surveillance (ie not give nasty people places to hide to do nasty things). it is a great way to deter crime and improve safety for those waiting at stations, and results in the use of more open structures. from the photo it looks like it's 15-20m long, which seems about right for a station of this anticipated patronage.
if youre keen to learn more, google search CPTED. there are some great principles that address one of the key deterrents in PT usage, which is safety of users.
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 12:14 pm
by abc
Spotto wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 11:46 pm
abc wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 10:53 am
Croydon is close to the city whereas Port Dock is the end of the line and its a spur line so I assume they're not anticipating a huge amount of patronage.
But wasn’t increasing patronage the whole justification for building this spur line?
tbh I'm struggling to see the business case for this project
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 1:43 pm
by Saltwater
Something something revitalise the Port Adelaide historic district etc...
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 2:18 pm
by Llessur2002
victorious80 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 9:20 am
eKwatee wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 5:38 pm
Why does it need to be built so tall?
How tall are the people catching this train? If they had constructed it shorter and longer, with enclosed sides, it might actually do what a shelter is supposed to do, and shelter people from the weather. At this height, it won't even block the rain on a windy day.
dont shoot messenger, but stations (and public spaces in general) are now designed to promote passive surveillance (ie not give nasty people places to hide to do nasty things). it is a great way to deter crime and improve safety for those waiting at stations, and results in the use of more open structures. from the photo it looks like it's 15-20m long, which seems about right for a station of this anticipated patronage.
if youre keen to learn more, google search CPTED. there are some great principles that address one of the key deterrents in PT usage, which is safety of users.
I agree on the closed sides but the height is definitely an issue with these new shelters. It only takes a moderate wind from the right direction to render the whole thing useless on wet days.
These ones are a classic case of form over function.
[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 2:20 pm
by EBG
This project has nothing to do with passenger numbers nor passenger comfort. This project was built simply to satisfy the previous State Labour government electoral promise.