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metro wrote:there is only the 281 bus which is just an every 30min service off peak, i wouldnt exactly call that well serviced. Most who will live in this site, if public transport isnt improved, will drive.

It'd be a short and pleasant walk to the north eastern corner of the city, and just a hop to Melbourne Street and all the buses that use it.

metro wrote:

monotonehell wrote:Gilberton is well serviced with buses already.

there is only the 281 bus which is just an every 30min service off peak, i wouldnt exactly call that well serviced. Most who will live in this site, if public transport isnt improved, will drive.

Must admit I was thinking of a little further up Mann road where there's a GoZone that turns down Melbourne Street.

Do keep in mind that beforehand it was a television studio, and in the future it will be a mid-density residential development that will spur further developments in the area. One of those didn't justify many bus services at all, and one of those will.

Clarification: I mentioned Rose Terrace in relation to ten storey buildings. I meant Rose Street, Gilberton, not Rose Terrace anywhere else or Robe Terrace, Medindie although Robe Terrace is a good example.

And AtD, I may just shut up about distortions in the planning process. I think everyone's got the point and I'm even boring myself.

iTouch(myself) wrote:I'm not sure about this sort of thing but if there is multiple 10 storey housing developments, shouldn't there be a bus interchange here for the future busway extension to west terrace?

The development isn't in itself sufficient reason for the O-bahn buses to stop. But IMO there should be a bus interchange at Gilberton - not just for the benefit of Gilberton and Lower North Adelaide residents, but also for the benefit of the NE suburbs residents who are going to places other than the City.

However, it would need to be further North so that it's not a big detour for Melbourne Street buses, and the location in rather than merely alongside) the Adelaide Parklands would probably make it rather controversial.

Where would you put the bus interchange at Gilberton?

Given that the developer's own render focuses on the eastern facade, why not continue the dedicated busway south alongside Park Terrace, cross the river (and Park Tce/Hackney Rd) under a rebuilt Hackney Bridge and then take it south next to Hackney Rd and into the city as now.

Ideally, the O'Bahn would meet a light rail (underground 'cut and shut' under the northern footpath of North Tce) or tram at the Wine Centre - another question of where to put a bus interchange...

Somewhat out of scope for this development...

I'm thinking a bit outside the square here, but i wonder if there is any capacity to extend the popeye service (or new water taxi service) to a new station and riverbank development as part of this project.

My recollection is that the river is sufficiently wide (not sure about depth though) right up to the former Channel 7 site. May be a long shot but would certainly be something different.

stumpjumper wrote:Clarification: I mentioned Rose Terrace in relation to ten storey buildings. I meant Rose Street, Gilberton, not Rose Terrace anywhere else or Robe Terrace, Medindie although Robe Terrace is a good example.

So do you agree that Rose Terrace (Wayville) is a suitable location for tall buildings?

stumpjumper wrote:Where would you put the bus interchange at Gilberton?

Given that the developer's own render focuses on the eastern facade, why not continue the dedicated busway south alongside Park Terrace, cross the river (and Park Tce/Hackney Rd) under a rebuilt Hackney Bridge and then take it south next to Hackney Rd and into the city as now.

Ideally, the O'Bahn would meet a light rail (underground 'cut and shut' under the northern footpath of North Tce) or tram at the Wine Centre - another question of where to put a bus interchange...

I'd put the bus interchange at Gilberton in the Parklands between Park and Mann Roads/Terraces, near Rose Street.

Ideally the O-bahn would run underground right into the City. But since we can't afford to do that any time soon, DTEI sensibly plans to extend the busway to the City via Hackney Road, though that section would be unguided. And going under Hackney Road would be more trouble than it's worth. IIRC they plan to build a new bridge for northbound traffic, and the existing northbound lanes would be converted to busway.

Why a bus interchange at Gilberton? The only non-O-Bahn bus routes that pass through there are the 281 and 283, and they effectively already run parallel to the O-Bahn for their entire length. Either that, or you send the 27x and 20x routes on a massive detour.

So, about that residential development...

So do you agree that Rose Terrace (Wayville) is a suitable location for tall buildings?

Aidan, Rose Tce, Wayville is a very different proposition. I agree with the approved DPA for the area which allows five storeys above ground level in Rose Tce and three storeys above GL in Leader St. There's a thread on this in S-A. I have two reservations: (1) The future accommodation of trailers and prime movers for the amusement operators who presently park in Rose Tce in open air carparks which will be developed under this DPA. Some of the vehicles are very heavy and are not suitable for parking on the Park Lands (while patrons' cars parking there during the show are acceptable, imho). (2) The vacancy rate for commercial premises in near city locations is about 1%, while the rate for the city is about 4%. I'm not sure of the reasons for this, but it's likely to relate to costs and/or client and employee parking. My feeling is that the city should be made as attractive as possible for commercial development. Therefore the proposed DPA could exacerbate the problem. I'd like to see a large 'park and ride' site near the city, although I'm not sure that Wayville is the site for that.

I'd put the bus interchange at Gilberton in the Parklands between Park and Mann Roads/Terraces, near Rose Street.

That's Park Lands. I think you'd buy an argument there from the usual parties.

DTEI sensibly plans to extend the busway to the City via Hackney Road, though that section would be unguided.

Running even dedicated bus lane across the river then on the eastern side of Hackney Rd where there is limited room (especially if the long local access lane is to be retained) would probably require widening Hackney Bridge and widening Hackney Rd on the western side, at least until the bottleneck formed by the old two storey insane asylum building at the Wine Centre and Romilly House - both heritage listed. That could be as expensive as crossing the buses under the Hackney Bridge and building a dedicated busway on the western side of Hackney Rd.

There's another option - use the land adjacent the TEN7 site at Gilberton (the former Channel 7 helicopter landing area) for a bus interchange. But interchange with what? A tram, when you can run the O-Bahn buses all the way into the city? Anyway, I doubt the residential developers would be to keen on an interchange next to their development.

So, about that residential development...

Agreed AtD - I started the above before you posted...

AG wrote:Why a bus interchange at Gilberton? The only non-O-Bahn bus routes that pass through there are the 281 and 283, and they effectively already run parallel to the O-Bahn for their entire length. Either that, or you send the 27x and 20x routes on a massive detour.

I already mentioned that in article #83812 - the point is to interchange with Melbourne Street buses. And to avoid them having to make a big detour, it should be in the Parklands, NOT by the Channel 7 site development.

stumpjumper wrote:

So do you agree that Rose Terrace (Wayville) is a suitable location for tall buildings?

Aidan, Rose Tce, Wayville is a very different proposition. I agree with the approved DPA for the area which allows five storeys above ground level in Rose Tce and three storeys above GL in Leader St. There's a thread on this in S-A.

OK, I won't discuss the specifics of it on this thread.

I'd like to see a large 'park and ride' site near the city, although I'm not sure that Wayville is the site for that.

Why would you want a large park and ride near the City? Wouldn't it be better for people to park further out?

I'd put the bus interchange at Gilberton in the Parklands between Park and Mann Roads/Terraces, near Rose Street.

That's Park Lands. I think you'd buy an argument there from the usual parties.

Absolutely! So it becomes a matter of what can be done to compensate.

DTEI sensibly plans to extend the busway to the City via Hackney Road, though that section would be unguided.

Running even dedicated bus lane across the river then on the eastern side of Hackney Rd where there is limited room (especially if the long local access lane is to be retained) would probably require widening Hackney Bridge and widening Hackney Rd on the western side, at least until the bottleneck formed by the old two storey insane asylum building at the Wine Centre and Romilly House - both heritage listed. That could be as expensive as crossing the buses under the Hackney Bridge and building a dedicated busway on the western side of Hackney Rd.

I'm not familiar with what those buildings are. But the busway will run in the middle of the road, and it will have traffic lights at its northern end for buses to enter it. A bridge alongside the existing one will be cheaper than a skew one below it, and putting the busway on the eastern side would make the junction with Botanic Road far more complicated.

I suggest we continue this discussion on the City Busway thread.

There's another option - use the land adjacent the TEN7 site at Gilberton (the former Channel 7 helicopter landing area) for a bus interchange.

Where exactly did the helicopters land? I always thought it was on top of the building.

But interchange with what? A tram, when you can run the O-Bahn buses all the way into the city?

So why do you claim it's an alternative when you know exactly why it isn't?

Anyway, I doubt the residential developers would be to keen on an interchange next to their development.

Lots of fast buses to the City would probably have a strong positive impact on the value - but it's not worth stopping them there just for that.

Aidan wrote:Where exactly did the helicopters land? I always thought it was on top of the building.

http://www.nearmap.com/?q=Former%20heli ... d=20100924

From the Advertiser:

Looks nice, although it will never go ahead if it requires approval from the Walkerville Town Council. Shame really.

Three weeks after Gilberton height limit lifted, 10-storey apartment proposal comes in

BEN HYDE From: The Advertiser November 13, 2010 12:01AM




Artist impression of the proposed 45 Park development on the old Channel 7 site at Gilberton. This impression is of the view from Hackney Rd. Source: AdelaideNow

PLANS for a $180 million, 217-apartment residential development on the former Channel 7 site at Gilberton have been released.
It comes less than three weeks after Planning Minister Paul Holloway altered restrictions to allow "more appropriate" 10-storey housing on the site.

The development - 45 Park - proposes three buildings with heights ranging from six to 10 storeys.

A six-storey, 73-apartment building with a rooftop residential lounge and library will face Park St.

A second tiered building - dropping from eight to seven storeys - will back on to the River Torrens and Linear Park and include 69 apartments. The third nine and 10-storey building will face down Hackney Rd and feature 75 apartments.

The 217 apartments will range from one-bedroom to penthouse.

The project, headed by development company Watersun Pty Ltd, also includes almost 6000sq m of landscaped gardens, courtyards, lawn area, pool and gym facilities.

Watersun project director Garry Garside said the project was consistent with the intent of Adelaide's 30-Year Plan and would create up to 300 jobs during construction.

It also achieved a 7-star Nationwide House Energy Rating Scheme energy rating for sustainable development.

"45 Park is set to become a landmark residential community which will help shape future living options in Adelaide," he said.

The plans will need to gain approval from Walkerville Council to go ahead.

"We're confident that the council will see the merits of our proposal as it represents a great opportunity," he said.