News & Discussion: Other Metropolitan Developments

[ChillyPhilly]

They should abandon the Woodville TOD. That's doomed, purely because the local community is so vehemently against it; myself included. I don't see it as NIMBYism, just the locals standing up for what remains of the area's last true open space. Abandon that development and pump the cash into Kilkenny and breathe some life into that area, which needs it more.

[Will]

They should abandon the Woodville TOD. That's doomed, purely because the local community is so vehemently against it; myself included. I don't see it as NIMBYism, just the locals standing up for what remains of the area's last true open space. Abandon that development and pump the cash into Kilkenny and breathe some life into that area, which needs it more.

Sorry mate, but what you have described is the true NIMBY attitude; "I'm all for progress as long as it's not in my backyard"

[Waewick]

it is

I saw the plans the woodville tod and the controversial park swap all seemed fine and a fair bit of overreaction going on.

I do know that one person was vehemently against the swap solely on the basis they had to walk a bit further to get their....

[ChillyPhilly]

They should abandon the Woodville TOD. That's doomed, purely because the local community is so vehemently against it; myself included. I don't see it as NIMBYism, just the locals standing up for what remains of the area's last true open space. Abandon that development and pump the cash into Kilkenny and breathe some life into that area, which needs it more.

Sorry mate, but what you have described is the true NIMBY attitude; "I'm all for progress as long as it's not in my backyard"

I didn't even say the quote you said there. I currently live just over two kilometres from St Clair Reserve, and would not be physically affected by it in any form. Just that building a TOD on a public park used by the community is a bad idea. Part of the motivation behind the TOD is an approved massive revamp of Woodville Road - a plan itself that won't prove as successful as the council hopes. Woodville Road is a connector road used mainly by commuters during peak hour for those wanting a connection from Torrens to Port Road.

it is

I saw the plans the woodville tod and the controversial park swap all seemed fine and a fair bit of overreaction going on.

I do know that one person was vehemently against the swap solely on the basis they had to walk a bit further to get their....

The land swap has every reason to be controversial. It's cheap, contaminated land surrounded by concrete and asphalt.

[Waewick]

it is not contaminated

[rev]

I didn't even say the quote you said there.

Pretty sure the quote at the start of his post is exactly what you said in the post above his...
The end of his post is not quoting you, he is stating the attitude of nimby's.

Just that building a TOD on a public park used by the community is a bad idea. Part of the motivation behind the TOD is an approved massive revamp of Woodville Road - a plan itself that won't prove as successful as the council hopes. Woodville Road is a connector road used mainly by commuters during peak hour for those wanting a connection from Torrens to Port Road.

Take a look at the latest nearmap image of the area..
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-34.87397,13 ... d=20120404

Notice the large green park bordered by Actil & Brocas?
That is the new public park that will replace the public park that will be turned into a TOD. The new public park is larger then the space next to the St Clair recreational building.
The existing public park is barely used, except for the odd bocce gathering.

Why is it doomed to fail? Can you explain this further in the appropriate thread?

They should abandon the Woodville TOD. That's doomed, purely because the local community is so vehemently against it; myself included.

The community is not vehemently opposed to it.
A small minority group is once again the most vocal group. The majority of the community really doesn't care.
The public space that will be lost has already been replaced. Therefore the government has not lied and that's basically where most peoples interest ends.
Until the development actually starts and people start looking at potentially buying property.
And half of those opposed to it are probably opposed to it because a few others are opposed to it and are saying its bad for this and that reason, therefore they feel obliged to go along with opposing it. Not really understanding what they are opposing and why. Sheep mentality.

Big deal some people might have to walk further if they are coming from the Woodville road side..an astronomically massive 290m. I mean, seriously, we are talking about such a great distance, we might as well call in the scientists to adapt the plasma fusion engines they are working on for space travel into a car so these whiners can get to their park a bit quicker.

The land swap has every reason to be controversial. It's cheap, contaminated land surrounded by concrete and asphalt.

They are not building homes and public parks on contaminated soil.
Contaminated soil is either carted away, or buried deep under ground, with fresh soil compacted on top, on the site, like happened around the Brompton area in the 1990's.
They might have other methods but those are the two I'm aware of.
The area wasn't even a heavy industrial area anyway. It was a textiles factory.
And given they did not do any major excavations of the site or cart away thousands of tonnes of soil...I'd say the chances of it being contaminated are zilch.


The area for the Kilkenny tod(what this thread is about, not Woodville) probably has contaminated soil though..but you are in favor of that.

[shaun]

Isn't the new open space bigger?.

I have not and still don't understand this whole St Clair Oval nonsense. It makes logical sense to build a TOD next to a train station, and build a new open space a few hundred metres away..

As a resident of Charles Sturt Council, it's beyond ridiculous how much resources and money they have allocated towards this. They could of put this money to better use by finally upgrading Henley Square or other projects that would actually benefit the council region.

They have become such a useless council that love wasting rate-payers money. Get rid of them

[rev]

Well looks bigger, and if you include the grass area behind the rec center, much bigger.
All depends how much land is used for the TOD.
But either way, the difference in size will be minuscule.

Not sure it was the council who built the new reserve.

[RiseHigh]

I think everywhere where there is a train or tram line we should build up and alot ,thats the future that this city needs, if you want open spaces and lots of room you should move to the hills.

[fabricator]

I didn't even say the quote you said there.

Pretty sure the quote at the start of his post is exactly what you said in the post above his...
The end of his post is not quoting you, he is stating the attitude of nimby's.

Just that building a TOD on a public park used by the community is a bad idea. Part of the motivation behind the TOD is an approved massive revamp of Woodville Road - a plan itself that won't prove as successful as the council hopes. Woodville Road is a connector road used mainly by commuters during peak hour for those wanting a connection from Torrens to Port Road.

Take a look at the latest nearmap image of the area..
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-34.87397,13 ... d=20120404

Notice the large green park bordered by Actil & Brocas?
That is the new public park that will replace the public park that will be turned into a TOD. The new public park is larger then the space next to the St Clair recreational building.
The existing public park is barely used, except for the odd bocce gathering.

Why is it doomed to fail? Can you explain this further in the appropriate thread?

They should abandon the Woodville TOD. That's doomed, purely because the local community is so vehemently against it; myself included.

The community is not vehemently opposed to it.
A small minority group is once again the most vocal group. The majority of the community really doesn't care.
The public space that will be lost has already been replaced. Therefore the government has not lied and that's basically where most peoples interest ends.
Until the development actually starts and people start looking at potentially buying property.
And half of those opposed to it are probably opposed to it because a few others are opposed to it and are saying its bad for this and that reason, therefore they feel obliged to go along with opposing it. Not really understanding what they are opposing and why. Sheep mentality.

Big deal some people might have to walk further if they are coming from the Woodville road side..an astronomically massive 290m. I mean, seriously, we are talking about such a great distance, we might as well call in the scientists to adapt the plasma fusion engines they are working on for space travel into a car so these whiners can get to their park a bit quicker.

The land swap has every reason to be controversial. It's cheap, contaminated land surrounded by concrete and asphalt.

They are not building homes and public parks on contaminated soil.
Contaminated soil is either carted away, or buried deep under ground, with fresh soil compacted on top, on the site, like happened around the Brompton area in the 1990's.
They might have other methods but those are the two I'm aware of.
The area wasn't even a heavy industrial area anyway. It was a textiles factory.
And given they did not do any major excavations of the site or cart away thousands of tonnes of soil...I'd say the chances of it being contaminated are zilch.

Actil had a paint factory next door, the rest of the area was a car factory or government stores at one point.

[AG]

Better planning the first big step
by: Political reporter Daniel Wills From: The Advertiser April 30, 2012 11:00pm

Car-centric transport planning has contributed to the growing levels of obesity, the Premier says. Picture: Simon Cross
AUSTRALIA'S obesity epidemic has been worsened by policies that put cars at the centre of communities, Premier Jay Weatherill says.

In the opening speech of the Planning Institute of Australia national conference in Adelaide yesterday, Mr Weatherill said "modern solutions" were needed to make communities more "walkable" and healthy, and new developments should promote physical activity,

However, he has also warned against Adelaide City Council's plans to increase the price of CBD parking, saying a short-term "attack on the motor car" could limit attempts to create vibrancy.

Mr Weatherill yesterday said there was clear evidence that "the dependence on the car has contributed to Australians becoming among the fattest people in the world", and planning changes could shift behaviour.

Adelaide's urban sprawl was accelerated in the middle of last century by a rapid uptake of private cars.

The State Government's 30-Year development plan aims to house a forecast population increase of 560,000 people along public transport corridors and in suburban "hubs" close to social services.

"Car transport-centred planning has contributed to the burden of chronic disease in our community," Mr Weatherill said yesterday.

"In the past we moved to separate land uses to solve the health problems associated with sanitation in the era of industrialisation. Now we need to look at how we solve chronic disease problems arising from less exercise.

"We need to plan our cities and communities for people to live in, not simply for efficient car movements."

Property Council of Australia SA executive director Nathan Paine said the Government's plan to double the residential population of the CBD to 55,000 people would promote healthier lifestyles.

However, he cautioned against punishing people for driving cars without offering viable alternatives.

"There seems to be a view that we should be penalising people who drive cars without putting in place alternate forms of transport. I don't think that now is the time," Mr Paine said.

"If people want to park in the city to work or spend money and time, they should be able to do that because we don't have, for most people, an efficient alternate form of transport."

[Waewick]

I agree with Paine on this one.

getting around Adelaide is a nightmare of PT.

on that note, has anyone ever gone to a friends place via PT? I'm thinking in terms of an evening out or the likes.

I wouldn't even have a clue how to get from my place to any of my friends places via PT...I actually don't think it is even possible (or worth it)

[Goya's Line]

Having lived in Adelaide for 20 years I've been to hundreds of house parties and gigs using public transport - it's really not that difficult. The only problem is the low frequency of buses between 12-6am (7am on Sundays).

[monotonehell]

Having lived in Adelaide for 20 years I've been to hundreds of house parties and gigs using public transport - it's really not that difficult. The only problem is the low frequency of buses between 12-6am (7am on Sundays).

I've done similar, but noticed that night services have become less available as the years pass. Often I'd have to leave a party well before 11 to get home on PT.

[Omicron]

Solution: more wine and an increased tendency to slur 'stuff it' and pay for a taxi.