[CAN] New Mayfield | 41-61m | 11-17lvls | Mixed Use

[Adonired]

I have read with interest the posts on this subject. Have any of you had a look at the actual area these changes of zoning will apply to - including some inner suburbs? It is not about being anti development, but taking away the right to have any say as a resident on what may effect you! Once you're in a Catalyst Zone, just about anything is permissable and nobody has to consult you the resident because it is all complying. Approaching the CBD from south, towers between 20 and 40 stories high - depending on the flight path to Adelaide Airport are permissable along the entire southern edge. All the talk about removing cars is a nonsense if in the Sturt St development alone, additional parking for 500 cars is going in. Those developers who already own land must be laughing because anything approved in the next twelve months will go ahead regardless of whether there is further scrutiny and the changes don't ultimately get up! Have you asked yourself who is actually benefitting from this? Nightly on TV we watch the USA and UK programmes that show high rise living and the crime and slum areas they become. Do we really want to turn the most livable capital in Australia into the same as there?
City residents previously had rights - to see what was going to happen alongside them and raise legitimate questions about the impact. Between Gouger & Angas Streets and South Terrace, most people have lost that right and I think they are entitled to feel gyped as the Government, Local Government and Planners all had input and they get none.
By the by, I live near the Barossa and don't have an axe to grind, I'm just glad I don't live in the CBD and shudder when I think what is being allowed to happen. Been all around the world and appreciate what SA has (or perhaps that should be had) to offer. Some people obviously took the time to really look in to the issue, perhaps others who dismiss their efforts might benefit by doing the same?

[jk1237]

welcome to our site Adonired. At first I was thinking what a well written argument and then you lost every bit of creditibility with this

Nightly on TV we watch the USA and UK programmes that show high rise living and the crime and slum areas they become. Do we really want to turn the most livable capital in Australia into the same as there?

[[Shuz]]

For the umpteenth time - those residents live in the CBD - CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. That is synonomous with high-rise buildings and apartment blocks. Of course they shouldn't have any rights to complain about overshadowing and increased traffic and whatnot. That is exactly what a CBD is. If they don't like it, they can cosy up with Adonired in the Barossa.

[shaun]

For the umpteenth time - those residents live in the CBD - CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. That is synonomous with high-rise buildings and apartment blocks. Of course they shouldn't have any rights to complain about overshadowing and increased traffic and whatnot. That is exactly what a CBD is. If they don't like it, they can cosy up with Adonired in the Barossa.

+1

[mattblack]

welcome to our site Adonired. At first I was thinking what a well written argument and then you lost every bit of creditibility with this

Nightly on TV we watch the USA and UK programmes that show high rise living and the crime and slum areas they become. Do we really want to turn the most livable capital in Australia into the same as there?

+1. You cant compare high developments from the early 1900's and after the war when the notion of places and spaces were not considered as being closely linked. If you want to see decent development of recent times that encompasses higher density living look no further than Portland in the U.S. or Vancouver. These developments can bring many benefits to communities if done correctly.

[metro]

Seriously, what is with the hostility to this development??? At the most, it's tallest point it will be shorter than the Optus building so it's mostly a very low-rise development. The development also involves big improvements at the street level and it looks like on the human scale as well and they are hoping for light-rail too, certainly better than the very wide road with 45angle parking. Some people seem to be thinking it's like this 40 story commie block development which will be an eyesore for the southern end of the city.

I also agree with Shuz, if people dont want those 5 story "skyscrapers" ( ) in their backyards, then dont live in the fraking CITY! Love it or leave it!

[monotonehell]

...the very wide road with 45angle parking...

Remember what happened with the bike lane trials there? Hrmz.

Preemptive strike: can we keep this discussion civil? Please resist the temptation to simply insult people. Please argue the points, stay away from abuse.

[Adonired]

Sorry, but - moving to the Barossa won’t be an option! The premier tourism, wine growing area is being protected against residential development by the “Powers that be”. So when the melodious sounds of CBD development start an hour earlier at 6 am and continue for perhaps as long as 5 years, residents will have to find somewhere else to go.
I cannot help but wonder if you are familiar with your local council's 10 year plan for where you live? If a Developer wants to build close to you and it's big enough to receive Major Project Status, which over-rides any plans Council may have in your area - you might get to feel how some of the CBD residents probably are now?

[rhino]

For the umpteenth time - those residents live in the CBD - CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

Actually, they don't. Adelaide's CBD does not cover the whole area between the terraces. As you point out (in capitals) CBD stands for Central Business District. Most of the Beirut Quarter, and the Paris Quarter, is residential, therefore not CBD. What is happening here is that, beginning with the tramline extension, the CBD is expanding into residential areas of the city. You really can't blame residents for being unhappy about this, the boundaries have changed and they're finding themselves (and their homes) getting surrounded by a new environment. Of course they're upset.

Having said that, they need to face the fact that the city (the streets between the Terraces) is changing, whether they like it or not. They can adapt or move. It's analagous to having your suburb infiltrated (for want of a better word) by a different ethnic group - you can accept it or not, adapt or move, but don't sit there and moan about it, because it ain't going away.

[rev]

Sorry, but - moving to the Barossa won’t be an option! The premier tourism, wine growing area is being protected against residential development by the “Powers that be”. So when the melodious sounds of CBD development start an hour earlier at 6 am and continue for perhaps as long as 5 years, residents will have to find somewhere else to go.
I cannot help but wonder if you are familiar with your local council's 10 year plan for where you live? If a Developer wants to build close to you and it's big enough to receive Major Project Status, which over-rides any plans Council may have in your area - you might get to feel how some of the CBD residents probably are now?

Local suburban councils are not about to approve 20-40 story towers all across the metropolitan, SUBURBAN, landscape.
There are certain locations which will be developed into TOD's, and some mid-high rise will feature.

If you don't want to live next door to a tower, then move to the suburbs.

You moved into the City/CBD. It is not a suburb of metropolitan Adelaide. It is the central and most important economic hub of the state.

It's kind of ridiculous how you are trying to compare developments in Adelaide to what is commonly referred to as "projects" in America, or the high rise public housing estates over in the UK. As if tall residential buildings somehow attract criminal elements automatically.

You completely ignore the socio-economic factors which have created the low standard of living in certain communities over there which have lead to the problems they experience.

The same thing is not going to happen here.

First and foremost because these are not developments for low income earners or bums and lowlifes with no job whose only source of income is via drug dealing.
So you can sleep easy at night. The Bloods & Crips aren't going to be having shoot outs in your neighbourhood.

[rev]

For the umpteenth time - those residents live in the CBD - CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

Actually, they don't. Adelaide's CBD does not cover the whole area between the terraces. As you point out (in capitals) CBD stands for Central Business District. Most of the Beirut Quarter, and the Paris Quarter, is residential, therefore not CBD. What is happening here is that, beginning with the tramline extension, the CBD is expanding into residential areas of the city. You really can't blame residents for being unhappy about this, the boundaries have changed and they're finding themselves (and their homes) getting surrounded by a new environment. Of course they're upset.

Having said that, they need to face the fact that the city (the streets between the Terraces) is changing, whether they like it or not. They can adapt or move. It's analagous to having your suburb infiltrated (for want of a better word) by a different ethnic group - you can accept it or not, adapt or move, but don't sit there and moan about it, because it ain't going away.

I do feel sorry for them, in a way, if the government doesn't provide them some assistance, I mean they did change the regulations on them(not that they were wrong to).

It's all well and good to buy a house in the suburbs, and not think beyond the basics. Because it's a 99% chance that nothing will dramatically change around you, ie tall towers next door.
But these people moved into the City it self. They should have thought long and hard about what changes could happen given it's not a suburb but the central most important economic and cultural hub of the state, and then thought if they really wanted to move there still.

They should have asked them selves will they eventually build towers here or will it remain lowrise.
This isn't a case of hindsight either.

If you move to a beach front property at Henley Beach, you are going to ask your self if climate change will impact you/your property.

If you move to the Adelaide Hills, you are going to ask your self if the area you are moving to is affected by bush fires.

Or if you move into the 19th story of an apartment tower in the City, with great views westward, you would ask your self if eventually other towers will be built blocking that view.

You should be taking into consideration the environment you are moving into and how it can change and affect you.
If you aren't, then that's your own fault.

[shaun]

Sorry, but - moving to the Barossa won’t be an option! The premier tourism, wine growing area is being protected against residential development by the “Powers that be”. So when the melodious sounds of CBD development start an hour earlier at 6 am and continue for perhaps as long as 5 years, residents will have to find somewhere else to go.

Don't you think that's a lil selfish of you?, when there is people out there like yourself that would love to live in an area like the Barossa Valley. It's similar to people moving to Mt Barker, Victor Harbor etc and then straight away complain about growth. #justsaying

Though in saying that I do agree that majority of the Barossa Valley should be kept off limits. Hence the reason why we need developments like Mayfield and the whole 30-year plan for inner Adelaide, or towns like Tanunda, Lobethal and Kapunda face a future of being swollen up by sprawl.

I cannot help but wonder if you are familiar with your local council's 10 year plan for where you live? If a Developer wants to build close to you and it's big enough to receive Major Project Status, which over-rides any plans Council may have in your area - you might get to feel how some of the CBD residents probably are now?

I currently live in Brompton, a fast growing inner-city suburb that is still a low rise residential area with a large chunk of minor industrial. Though it's more than likely those industrial businesses will sell up and be replaced by buildings over five stories in the near future, especially along Port Road. Hell, it's possibly we could see 15 story+ buildings along Port Road due to being so close the city, Bowden Village and transport links.

Areas like this and the southern CBD are very much underdeveloped when they should be the opposite, full of life and vibrancy. Sure there is lots of character and history that needs to be preserved but that doesn't mean tall buildings and heritage properties can't coexist. Ofcourse proposing a 120 metre building in the Beirut Corner would be ridicolous and stick out like a sour thumb, though the Mayfield proposal is perfectly fine. Though that's not to say that 100 metre+ buildings could become a reality in the future as this afterall still part of the Adelaide CBD and not just another suburb.

[Nort]

Nightly on TV we watch the USA and UK programmes that show high rise living and the crime and slum areas they become. Do we really want to turn the most livable capital in Australia into the same as there?

I assume you're basically watching The Bill and similar shows, looking at the blocks of flats in them. They are equivalent to housing trust estates.

[Reb-L]

"Adonired wrote:
Nightly on TV we watch the USA and UK programmes that show high rise living and the crime and slum areas they become. Do we really want to turn the most livable capital in Australia into the same as there?

I guess Mogadishu should be a fairly safe place to live? Or that Elizabeth is almost crime free?

[claybro]

The common theme of these posts seems to be that it is not high density living in itself that causes crime, but more like the quality of development and the mix of residents and uses within the development. This particular development is not blocks of high rise soviet style concrete blocks and should attract a reasonable mix of residents. It is unlikely to become a slum, and the neighbouring residents should be pleased that the current light industrial eyesore will be a thing of the past.