News & Discussion: Other Metropolitan Developments

All high-rise, low-rise and street developments in areas other than the CBD and North Adelaide. Includes Port Adelaide and Glenelg.
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#1456 Post by Nort » Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:52 am

Those spots along Linear Park are perfect for greater residential development, but the amount proposed for this space doesn't seem suitable for the roads in and out.

Fuck those NIMBY comments talking about affordable housing bringing in undesirables and the like though.

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#1457 Post by gnrc_louis » Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:48 am

Paywalled article about our "visionary" Premier advocating for more urban sprawl :roll: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscrib ... our=append

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#1458 Post by A-Town » Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:53 am

gnrc_louis wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:48 am
Paywalled article about our "visionary" Premier advocating for more urban sprawl :roll: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscrib ... our=append
I don't think anyone has called Mali 'visionary' before. He's a populist. Anyway, here's the article:
Mali’s big build: Premier targets outer-suburban growth with 24,000 new homes in four major land releases

Declaring urban sprawl is “not a dirty word”, the Premier has revealed SA’s largest single release of new residential land in four outer suburbs. See the ambitious plans.

The largest single release of residential land in the state’s history will kickstart a government plan to trigger almost $1bn worth of home construction and tackle an unprecedented housing crisis.

At least 23,700 extra homes for more than 50,000 people are set to be delivered in four land parcels, with construction expected to start next year and at least 15 per cent earmarked for affordable housing.

The land release comprises parcels for 10,000 homes each at Dry Creek and Concordia (on Gawler’s northeastern fringe), at least 2000 homes at Hackham and 1700 at Sellicks Beach.

In an interview with the Sunday Mail, Premier Peter Malinauskas insisted urban sprawl was not “a dirty word”, declaring urban and economic growth “underpins the ability for young families to be able to enjoy the great Australian dream” of home ownership.

By contrast, he condemned “clogging up suburban neighbourhoods with ever more infill” and declared he did not “believe in urban infill at all costs”.

Deliberately highlighting a “point of difference” with his Labor predecessor Jay Weatherill, Mr Malinauskas declared he was “in favour of population growth” supported by effective roads, schools and other infrastructure.

“The state is growing. Our population is heading up and we know that in terms of economic growth, we’re pretty bullish about our prospects going forward,” Mr Malinauskas said.

“We’ve got a good base but with everything we expect to occur around key industries like defence, space, cyber and decarbonisation, we are going to need more homes. Plain and simple.”

Mr Malinauskas said surging interest rates intensified the urgency for government intervention to spur change in the housing market – the monthly payment on a typical $500,000 mortgage has soared by almost $1000 since April.

The accelerated land release, in areas within the urban growth boundary, will be underpinned by the formation of an Infrastructure Planning and Development Unit charged with co-ordinating electricity, water, sewerage, roads, schools and other infrastructure.

This will involve the striking of deeds, or agreements with developers, for infrastructure and community facilities before land is rezoned for housing.

“My assessment is that a majority of South Australians are comfortable with the idea of population growth, provided the requisite investments have been made in infrastructure: road infrastructure, transport infrastructure, health infrastructure, education infrastructure,” Mr Malinauskas said.

“There’s also a more finite degree of detail that makes a difference too – that’s simple things like connection to power supply and SA Water, which a lack of co-ordination around has actually been an inhibitor towards the development of rezoned land.

“Population growth means economic growth, and economic growth grows the ability of the state to be able to provision for these things in the budget.”

Mr Malinauskas said he wanted housing to remain affordable but also an attractive investment, embracing opportunity for young people and encouraging them to stay in or return to the state.

The land release is expected to be more than double the number of allotments released in Mount Barker in 2011 and four times the number released at Mawson Lakes about 20 years ago.

Asked whether he was effectively burying the Weatherill government's pivot to urban infill development, Mr Malinauskas said this had a place, particularly in brownfield, or former industrial sites.

“But clogging up suburban neighbourhoods with ever more infill, without any reference to what it does to streets, what it does to neighbourhoods, isn’t always good. I don’t believe in urban infill at all costs,” he said.

“It has never sat well with me that urban sprawl has been denounced as a dirty word. Thought-through urban growth provides affordable land for young South Australian families to actively choose that they want a house with a yard. Now what is wrong with that?

“If we completely curtail urban growth, then we’re confining young South Australian families to having to live in ever-denser living environments, and then their children don’t get the benefit of having the ability to play or enjoy a backyard at home.

“I don’t believe that having an unattached home with a backyard should only be accessible to high-net-worth individuals. And this is important, because the active curtailing of urban growth, or talking about urban growth as urban sprawl and it’s all bad, I think is unfair on young aspirational families who want to be able to enjoy the same standard of living as they had when they grew up.”

Property Council research released on February 8 showed 81 per cent of Australians believed there was a lack of affordable housing supply in their area.

Mr Malinauskas told the Sunday Mail this was the first stage of a housing package, developed by key ministers including Treasurer Stephen Mullighan, that would take immediate and long-term action to support about $965m of extra construction.

At an Advertiser Housing Forum last September, Mr Mullighan declared Adelaide must pursue an aggressive growth strategy to double the CBD population, which should include conversion of old office buildings into housing.


We need more South Aussies: Premier

Premier Peter Malinauskas is backing population growth for the state, warning younger families will pay the price of providing government services unless the economy expands.

Outlining the case for growing the state, Mr Malinauskas told the Sunday Mail population growth spurred economic growth, which swelled state finances and the ability to pay for health, education and other government services.

“Think about the counterfactual – we can’t afford not to (grow the population). If we aren’t growing the pie, then everyone will pay the price, particularly amongst younger families,” he said.

“We have got an ageing population. The explosion of demand on, say hospital services, is because more people are getting older and when they get older, they need more access to healthcare.

“Now there needs to be a workforce that underpins generating economic activity, which creates income for government to be able to pay for looking after people.”

The population of the planet is at its highest its ever been in history, and it is continually growing. However due to various factors, certain nations are at the risk of heavy decline of populace, while others are starting to flourish.

Asked whether he backed a population target, such as the two million by 2030 proposed last February by the-then Committee for Adelaide chief Bruce Djite, Mr Malinauskas declined to set a figure.

“I’m less interested in arbitrary numbers than the policy that will actually underpin the growth in a way that is supported by South Australians,” he said.

Mr Malinauskas said growing the complexity and size of the state economy increased the government’s tax base.

“Improving economic complexity means people are going up on the value chain of wages, and the more they earn the better their standard of living, but it also derives the benefit of improving revenues for government to invest in critical social infrastructure,” he said.

Asked about federal government projections of the return of a so-called brain drain, or a net loss of people from SA through interstate migration, Mr Malinauskas said the state had to aspire to mitigate that as best it could.

This trend reversed for the first time since 1990-91 during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic and the federal Centre for Population projects an inflow until 2023-24, when net interstate migration of -3500 is forecast.

“It was self-evident that closing the borders resulted in a change. We hope that that change has a lasting impact, in terms of the way people contemplate living and working in a place like South Australia,” Mr Malinauskas said.

“Ultimately, I think the best policy that we can pursue to address that is an economic growth policy and an industrial expansion policy, because it’s the work that drives people’s behaviours more than anything else.

“But this is a key part of the equation, because, relatively, growth in price in South Australia has been more recently higher than we’ve seen in the eastern states, so we don’t want our relative advantage of affordability to be diminished, which would undermine our capacity to see those numbers going in the right direction.”
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Re: News & Discussion: Other Metropolitan Developments

#1459 Post by gnrc_louis » Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:58 am

A-Town wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:53 am
gnrc_louis wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:48 am
Paywalled article about our "visionary" Premier advocating for more urban sprawl :roll: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscrib ... our=append
I don't think anyone has called Mali 'visionary' before. He's a populist.
He certainly likes to think and project himself as visionary.

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#1460 Post by Nathan » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:09 pm

Absolutely gross. His whole argument seems to be that families should have a backyard, but at the same time you're condemning those families to a life spent driving absolutely everywhere.

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#1461 Post by gnrc_louis » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:17 pm

Nathan wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:09 pm
Absolutely gross. His whole argument seems to be that families should have a backyard, but at the same time you're condemning those families to a life spent driving absolutely everywhere.
Not to mention that his government have shown zero interest in any serious public transport investment/are increasingly trying to use infill development as a populist wedge issue for their own gain. Never fear though, "Mali" knows best!

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#1462 Post by SouthAussie94 » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:25 pm

Another disappointing policy from Labor. Really wish they were going in the Weatherill direction rather than this populist shit.
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#1463 Post by Nathan » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:33 pm

This also explains a lot about the Brompton gasworks fiasco.

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#1464 Post by gnrc_louis » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:45 pm

His constant reference to the "long term" is particularly enraging when his decisions are so obviously about short term populist gain. His campaign against infill is extremely damaging to Adelaide's future prosperity - wish he would just stick to talking about footy :wallbash:

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#1465 Post by SouthAussie94 » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:55 pm

Of the four sites, Dry Creek is the one that makes the most sense from an Urban Planning perspective. It's relatively central, close to existing road infrastructure, near to existing passenger rail so would be relatively easy to include new stations (this could be be extended to Virginia and Buckland Park), and it's near to existing employment areas and other urban infrastructure.

It is however basically at sea level and will undoubtedly have negative impacts of the mangroves.

The other three sites are just shit urban sprawl.
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#1466 Post by [Shuz] » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:57 pm

These developments, if they are to go ahead, should at the very minimum, be supported by an expansion in rail infrastructure.

A spur from Gawler line to service the Dry Creek development and through to Buckland Park.

An extension of the Gawler line to Concordia.

An extension of the Seaford Line to Aldinga and Sellicks Beach.

And planning for bus services to support the Hackham expansion.

I don't support this policy otherwise if it's going to be car-centric.
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#1467 Post by SRW » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:52 pm

All four sites are within the urban growth boundary and were eventually going to be released, so can't fight that. But I do worry that they seem to be releasing in bulk now what was supposed to be drip fed out over 30 years. This will probably now make it harder to densify in central locations if demand is diluted at such scale. Which means in 30 years time we'll have no easy way to grow, as we'll have underdeveloped today's brownfield and used up all greenfield.
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#1468 Post by rev » Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:36 pm

- There's a housing shortage. This is acknowledged far and wide, and Australia wide in all major cities.
- This creates a rental crisis. Less stock, more demand, rents go up. Among other reasons prices go up.
- It also leads to an affordability crisis as house prices go up.

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#1469 Post by ChillyPhilly » Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:25 pm

In no universe is Mali's desire here a good one.
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#1470 Post by rev » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:35 pm

ChillyPhilly wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:25 pm
In no universe is Mali's desire here a good one.
Tell us your alternative then.

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