#VISION Liberal's railyard plan: new stadium & entertainment

[Pistol]

Well Howie you might as well take this off of the home page as it will never come to fruition.

It was all just a pipe dream anyway.

[JamesXander]

So what are peoples thoughts if the AO deal doesn't go ahead?


We will be left with a new hospital, a new convention centre, an unused half finished stadium and a water feature in the torrens.



Adelaide personified.

[Waewick]

disappointed to be honestly

I am still very worried that it won't go ahead and we will be left with nothing at all

[Will]

If this Riverside vision from the libs had actually been more than a diversionary attempt at wedge politics then I would understand why people would be dissapointed.

I admit, the vision presented on this forum is spectacular, but it was not real. The libs did not mention it during their campaign, it was not on their website and they did not allocate funds to it.

The only funds allocated were for the undercover stadium. There were no funds for the 6 star hotels, the casino, the velodrome, the theme park....

[waz94]

Well Howie you might as well take this off of the home page as it will never come to fruition.

It was all just a pipe dream anyway.

Your right Pistol, it probably was a pipe dream but at least it kick started Labor into finding some extra cash to upgrade Adelaide Oval and redevelop the riverfront, which they previously had no interest in doing.

Without the Libs coming up with their proposal, Labor would not have come up with a counter proposal and we would be stuck with an outdated AAMI stadium (providing the SACA and SANFL can come to an agreement which I'm not holding my breath over).

[Pikey]

Exactly.

If it wasnt for the Libs proposal, we'd be riding a tram down to West Lakes. At least the focus is back to sport in the CBD.

Let's see how many election promises Labor offered end up not eventuating.

[Howie]

Absolutely, it's a great democracy when the opposition can back the government of the day into committing to something like a cbd entertainment precinct or electrification of the rail system. Now, hopefully the message has come through loud and clear about the hospital with the seat of Adelaide falling.

[Briggzy_03]

Absolutely, it's a great democracy when the opposition can back the government of the day into committing to something like a cbd entertainment precinct or electrification of the rail system. Now, hopefully the message has come through loud and clear about the hospital with the seat of Adelaide falling.

I've thought about the repercussions of ALP losing Adelaide, do you think they will reconsider a different location for the hospital and research centre? I can't really see them changing their minds.

[waz94]

Absolutely, it's a great democracy when the opposition can back the government of the day into committing to something like a cbd entertainment precinct or electrification of the rail system. Now, hopefully the message has come through loud and clear about the hospital with the seat of Adelaide falling.

I've thought about the repercussions of ALP losing Adelaide, do you think they will reconsider a different location for the hospital and research centre? I can't really see them changing their minds.

As much as I would like them to reconsider the new hospitals location, I cant see Labor changing their minds. It was a bitter enough pill for them to swallow when conceding to change its name from The Marj back to the RAH.

I dont think that the majority of people are against a new hospital, its just its proposed location on the last bit of prime riverfront land. However the way they lost the Adelaide seat, obviously shows that people aren't happy with the current arrangement. Who knows but its gonna be a long shot.

[Denny Crane]

As much as I would like them to reconsider the new hospitals location, I cant see Labor changing their minds. It was a bitter enough pill for them to swallow when conceding to change its name from The Marj back to the RAH.

I dont think that the majority of people are against a new hospital, its just its proposed location on the last bit of prime riverfront land. However the way they lost the Adelaide seat, obviously shows that people aren't happy with the current arrangement. Who knows but its gonna be a long shot.

I agree. Its interesting. I was analysing the results, and I think the RAH was probably one of the biggest issues as far as the metro area was concerned, if not THE biggest. If you have a look at the results, the major swings occurred in the CBD and in the areas immediately around it, either knocking the incumbent off completely, or securing a marginal Liberal seat (such as Unley), or in the inner West, massive swings almost marginalising safe Labor seats, emphasis on "almost". Then, the further out you go, with the exception of Morialta, the swings dropped off. Out at Newland (Tea Tree Gully, etc.) the swing is only 3%+. Suggesting that the RAH issue didn't really bother voters out there because they don't use it. After speaking to one of the Bright candidates (South Seat), the sentiment from the electorate there re the RAH debate was almost like "what's the RAH?" Now that seat starts at Glenelg and goes South. And it didn't seem to even matter to them. That seat is being fought on local issues, like many others.

Now, there's other mitigating factors, but J-lo was a fairly popular member supported by the North Adelaide "Champagne Socialist" set and she held that seat with a 10%+ majority. Knocking her off didn't even make the Libs wish list let alone the possibilities list. So I think Labor will have to at least appear as though they are listening, and I reckon the Libs, having taken great heart from the result, will likely remain organised and not repeat MHS's mistakes at the next election by re-cycling Trish Draper, Joe Scalzi or any other former member that have passed their use-by date.

This election reminds me quite a lot of Kennett in 1987. He was supposed to win that hands down. Similar polls to what we saw yesterday morning, Labor on the nose, Liberal should sneak it in. He didn't. Lost by a whisker. But come 1991, people were so over Labor he not only won with a land-slide, he took control of both houses. Thats how he was able to transform Melbourne.

Labor faces the same issues here. Even with Atkinson retiring from the Ministry and Jay W. looking to challenge Foley today for the No. 2 role, Labor would only be re-shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. They need new blood, because if they don't get it, they'll be taking the same faces to the next election with the same boring policies and they will be obliterated. I think they will ned to demonstrate that, as a party, they can listen to the electorate and admit their mistakes and show some bloody humility for once - starting with the RAH. If they don't, they'll be warming the opposition benches for years to come, 2 maybe 3 terms.

[Vee]

As much as I would like them to reconsider the new hospitals location, I cant see Labor changing their minds. It was a bitter enough pill for them to swallow when conceding to change its name from The Marj back to the RAH.

I dont think that the majority of people are against a new hospital, its just its proposed location on the last bit of prime riverfront land. However the way they lost the Adelaide seat, obviously shows that people aren't happy with the current arrangement. Who knows but its gonna be a long shot.

Don't underestimate the anti Lomax-Smith 'Education' vote in the seat of Adelaide. J-Lo was seen by many as an arrogant, aloof, ineffectual Minister of Education who was out of touch with her portfolio.

Agree that many folk would like a new hospital rather than a bits 'n' pieces rebuild. (Thank goodness 'The Marj' name was dumped many moons ago.)
Should be full steam ahead with the new hospital build once the result is confirmed? There's too much at stake not to progress such a major plank in Labor's election commitments - sooner than later.

Was there much detail on Labor's plans to revitalise the riverbank precinct if they got re-elected? I recall extending the Convention Centre.

[yousername]

Was there much detail on Labor's plans to revitalise the riverbank precinct if they got re-elected? I recall extending the Convention Centre.

http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/for ... f=7&t=2856
Yes, and a new water feature, cafe i think

[jk1237]

Jane Lomax Smith and the liberal equivalent of Vicki Chapman have the most pompous accents. I would deliberately vote against them caus of that

Seriously though, Im still completely bamboozled of how you can oppose a brand new hospital. To me, its a great big WTF. Anyway, how did this save the RAH party go?

The 2 most constant whingings done by the general public are for wanting more money spent on health and roads, and prob education. So what happens, we propose a brand new hospital and guess what - its opposed . Wish there could be some party formed campaigning against new roads

[yousername]

The 2 most constant whingings done by the general public are for wanting more money spent on health and roads, and prob education. So what happens, we propose a brand new hospital and guess what - its opposed . Wish there could be some party formed campaigning against new roads

Im voting for Dignity 4 Potholes in 4 years.

[Aidan]

Jane Lomax Smith and the liberal equivalent of Vicki Chapman have the most pompous accents. I would deliberately vote against them caus of that

Now you've got me curious - did you think the same about Alexander Downer?

Seriously though, Im still completely bamboozled of how you can oppose a brand new hospital. To me, its a great big WTF.

I'm completely bamboozled of how you can be here and still not know. Each of the following four arguments is a good reason to oppose it:

• It's unnecessarily expensive - if we spend the money on this, there will be less money available for other things. We can rebuild onsite far more cheaply.
• The railyards site is the best place for a soccer stadium. Building a hospital there would destroy that opportunity.
• The railyards site is too far from Adelaide University - this has significant implications both for medical students and research.
• The railyards are too far from the eastern suburbs. Emergency patients from the eastern suburbs, which don't have their own hospital, could die on the way.

There are also a few disadvantages of building it that don't on their own amount to reasons not to - for example, the proposed building is inappropriate for the parklands location.

Anyway, how did this save the RAH party go?

Disappointingly small share of the vote. It appears most people who valued the RAH highly voted Liberal.

The 2 most constant whingings done by the general public are for wanting more money spent on health and roads, and prob education.

Those aren't whingings, they're valid complaints! The whingings usually concern land tax.

So what happens, we propose a brand new hospital and guess what - its opposed . Wish there could be some party formed campaigning against new roads

When inappropriate new roads were proposed, Croweaters opposed them, and much of the MATS plan was rightly consigned to the dustbin of history. Now we have a strategy mainly focussed on upgrading existing roads.