Thebarton Brewery Site Redevelopment

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Re: Thebarton Brewery Site Redevelopment

#16 Post by neoballmon » Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:04 pm

Are the decorations stored on-site or externally?

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#17 Post by Furyan » Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:21 pm

While this site would make a very good place for a residential development, for the very same reasons and more, it would make an even better location for a future sports stadium. It would be ideal for a scaled down version of Marvel Stadium which is a second AFL/cricket ground close to Melbourne CBD. Perth have recently upgraded the WACA and is now suitable for both and of course they have Optus Stadium.

Most importantly this would be a replacement for Karen Rolton Oval which is basically an overflow for cricket matches at Adelaide Oval. This would negate any further expansion of this venue into the parklands, as need arises, like we have seen recently.

It could be used as a home ground for both SA AFL Womens teams as Adelaide Oval is for the mens.

It would be suitable as another venue for Gather (Magic) Round.

A retractable roof would be ideal over an open one but may not be necessary.

A replacement for the aging Entertainment Centre would also fit on this site as long as it was practical to do so.

It is unlikely that another suitable opportunity like this will become available again so close to the CBD that doesn't involve the use of parklands.

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#18 Post by gnrc_louis » Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:39 pm

Furyan wrote:
Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:21 pm
While this site would make a very good place for a residential development, for the very same reasons and more, it would make an even better location for a future sports stadium. It would be ideal for a scaled down version of Marvel Stadium which is a second AFL/cricket ground close to Melbourne CBD. Perth have recently upgraded the WACA and is now suitable for both and of course they have Optus Stadium.

Most importantly this would be a replacement for Karen Rolton Oval which is basically an overflow for cricket matches at Adelaide Oval. This would negate any further expansion of this venue into the parklands, as need arises, like we have seen recently.

It could be used as a home ground for both SA AFL Womens teams as Adelaide Oval is for the mens.

It would be suitable as another venue for Gather (Magic) Round.

A retractable roof would be ideal over an open one but may not be necessary.

A replacement for the aging Entertainment Centre would also fit on this site as long as it was practical to do so.

It is unlikely that another suitable opportunity like this will become available again so close to the CBD that doesn't involve the use of parklands.
I'm sorry but using this for another oval shaped sporting ground would be a complete waste of a prime site.

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#19 Post by Llessur2002 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:57 am

Furyan wrote:
Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:21 pm
Most importantly this would be a replacement for Karen Rolton Oval which is basically an overflow for cricket matches at Adelaide Oval. This would negate any further expansion of this venue into the parklands, as need arises, like we have seen recently.
I'm still struggling to see why a well maintained grass oval isn't an acceptable use of parkland.

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#20 Post by Allkai » Mon Apr 03, 2023 10:11 am

Curious if anyone knows what they're doing to the old tanks?

The shorter ones were fully enclosed for a few weeks, and when the scaffolding came down, it appeared as though they'd removed (grit blasted?) the silver paint.

Now doing the same with the front taller ones.

Having to remove lead based paint coating before demolition or something?

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#21 Post by Llessur2002 » Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:13 am

I don't think that was paint - I think they were entirely clad, presumably either to improve their appearance or for insulation maybe? The black tanks which are left are what was inside that cladding. I presume these will either be cut up on site or maybe craned and trucked elsewhere?

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#22 Post by Allkai » Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:46 am

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Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:13 am
I don't think that was paint - I think they were entirely clad, presumably either to improve their appearance or for insulation maybe? The black tanks which are left are what was inside that cladding. I presume these will either be cut up on site or maybe craned and trucked elsewhere?
Ah ok, without being up close for a look I assumed the "black" was bare tank after some kind of coating was removed.

Why wld they need to fully enclose with plastic, just to remove an external cladding?

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#23 Post by Llessur2002 » Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:51 am

Maybe asbestos of some description - insulation?

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#24 Post by Listy » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:36 pm

The tanks were being pulled down this morning, there was a large demolition rig tipping them over and rolling them into a neat row on the ground. Only three or four still standing when I went past.

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#25 Post by Patrick_27 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:16 pm

Listy wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:36 pm
The tanks were being pulled down this morning, there was a large demolition rig tipping them over and rolling them into a neat row on the ground. Only three or four still standing when I went past.
Strange considering they were covered and seemingly protected whilst demolition went on around them?

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#26 Post by Nort » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:56 am

Patrick_27 wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:16 pm
Listy wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:36 pm
The tanks were being pulled down this morning, there was a large demolition rig tipping them over and rolling them into a neat row on the ground. Only three or four still standing when I went past.
Strange considering they were covered and seemingly protected whilst demolition went on around them?
Maybe there were/are plans for them to be used for something else?

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#27 Post by Llessur2002 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:40 am

I suspect they were clad in asbestos insulation, or something else nasty - hence the big plastic tent used during those works. If you looked close up at the tanks after the tent was removed you could see signs of material having been scraped off of the entire surface of all of them.

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#28 Post by WGG » Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:36 am

Llessur2002 wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:40 am
I suspect they were clad in asbestos insulation, or something else nasty - hence the big plastic tent used during those works. If you looked close up at the tanks after the tent was removed you could see signs of material having been scraped off of the entire surface of all of them.
This is correct. The structures built around them was to control airborne particles during the demolition.

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#30 Post by Nathan » Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:55 pm

Taxpayers set to spend $70m as state government swoops on prime West End brewery site

South Australian taxpayers will likely shell out at least $70m for a late swoop on one of Adelaide’s premier pieces of land for housing in a move that has sparked a backlash from developers.

The state government’s development authority, Renewal SA, is expected to buy the historic West End brewery site, at Thebarton, in a deal expected to be finalised within weeks.

Industry sources have revealed the agency is now the preferred bidder for the prime 8.4ha site after entering exclusive negotiations with owner, brewing giant Lion.

Negotiations for the entire land, on the city’s northwest fringes, are ongoing but are understood to be in the final stages.

Senior government officials are understood to be driving the acquisition including Premier Peter Malinauskas, who has previously expressed concerns about developers land-banking sites primed for new housing.

But it has added to developer angst about the government’s takeover of a series of land parcels across the city.

Other land parcels Renewal SA has snapped up include the former Franklin St bus stationin the CBD and the previous Le Cornu site, at Forestville.

Urban Development Institute of Australia SA, chief executive Liam Golding – a former Labor adviser – said Renewal SA should not be “competing on open market to buy development- ready sites”.

“Out-bidding the market on taxpayer funds risks driving pricing higher, and that would ultimately get charged to the end user, exacerbating affordability issues,” he said.

“The greatest benefit government and Renewal SA can provide to the state and to taxpayers is to focus its efforts on bringing additional stock to market.”

Renewal SA’s 11th-hour bid trumped earlier offers from groups including Perth-based housing group Peet, local developer Amulet Property and a joint venture between Commercial & General and McMahon Services.

Property Beyond managing director Mark Daniel, the land agent, said his firm was in exclusive talks with a preferred bidder with a deal to be finalised next month.

“We’re still in contract negotiations and the site is still being remediated,” he said.

“There will be further remediation and demolition works and a sale will be concluded after that. We’re working with a preferred party.”

All bidders, Mr Malinauskas and Lion declined to comment.

One industry figure, who declined to be named, said Renewal SA’s involvement undermined the normal sale process.

“It’s costly, in the order of $100,000, to go through the process and to then have it snatched away is a major issue for private developers,” he said.

Opposition spokeswoman, Michelle Lensink, criticised Labor for “moving the goalposts”

“We need all hands-on deck right now to fix South Australia’s housing supply crisis,” she said.

“But Peter Malinauskas is arrogantly pushing ahead with his high-risk strategy of playing Bob the Builder and trying to outbid the private sector for major development sites.

(His) captain’s call will drive up land prices and slow down the supply of homes, triggering steeper costs and huge timeline blowouts that we wouldn’t see under the management of private sector businesses.”

Mr Malinauskas’ spokesman said the government was serious in addressing the housing crisis.

“We’re pulling every lever we can to build more affordable homes, unlike Michelle Lensink and the Liberals, whose only intervention was to sell off public housing,” he said.

Asked on Sunday about Renewal’s work, the Premier said: “This is not a threat to the private sector, we’re not trying to crowd out the private sector. We want to work with them.”
Announcing a sale in October last year, Lion is seeking to change planning lawsto allow for development of apartments up to eight storeys along with retail and commercial building.

After being an early contender to house police horses, senior officials have rejected any possible move from a new Gepps Cross home.

West End ceased production at Thebarton in June 2021 after brewing was first started in 1886.

The original Walkerville Brewhouse Tower, located behind the brewery’s former glass-fronted building on Port Rd, and an electrical transformer structure on Holland St will be retained as part of heritage protections.

An archaeological dig of the site also uncovered a series of historically significant items including the ruins of Thebarton Hall – the cottage once lived in by Colonel William Light.
Prominent Adelaide developer, and former Renewal SA board member, Theo Maras said the agency’s role was important and hoped the brewery site was developed the same as nearby Bowden.

“Renewal SA, in my view, is exactly the right body to be able to buy large tracts of land, as they did at Bowden and as they’ve done in other parts of Adelaide, and then do the master planning,” he said.

“It’s all very well for the big developers to say we wanted a slice of that … but then they never ever get the maximum development out of it because they can’t deal with the planning, they can’t deal with the council, they can’t deal with what the community needs at large because it’s all about the almighty dollar.

“And in my view the community gets a far better outcome, the state gets a far better outcome – the money is spread throughout the development industry and we’re not held captive to the national developers.”

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